[Rhodes22-list] Apology to Bill and the List

Bill Effros bill at effros.com
Thu Jun 23 12:14:22 EDT 2005 

Jay,

No apology necessary, although it should remind us all of the dangers of 
hitting the reply button without first noting where the reply is going.

We got a doozy a few years ago!

Peter, same thing.  I got your message back-channel also, but was unable 
to reply back-channel. Decided to send it through the list, as I did not 
feel it was too personal.

Bill Effros

PS -- Jay, I am trying to catch up with back email and noted the one 
below.  Yes, it was a response to Saturday, and I have spoken to some 
people about it, and came up with a modified Roger response that you 
might want to try:

Put a line with a loop on the end on your furthest from the dock piling 
at roughly winch height.  The line should be 1 foot shorter than the 
distance from the piling to the winch when your bow is 1 foot from the 
dock.  (You get the idea.)  As you enter the slip, drop the loop over 
the winch.  You will come to a dead stop every time.  Secure the rest of 
your lines.

If you are worried that you are going too fast, abort before entering 
the slip. 

This entire procedure can be done under sail if you have an IMF.  Furl 
the Jib when you reach the far dock.  Furl the IMF when you get to a 
point where you can coast into the slip at 1 kt or less.  You can learn 
to do this no matter which way the wind is blowing--use your rudder to 
slow you down, and make sharp 90 degree turns to slow down if you are 
going too fast.

Practice first with your motor, and all sails furled. 

When you understand the coasting dynamic coming into your slip, do it 
with the IMF, with the motor on, in the water, in neutral.  You will 
find you never put the motor into reverse to resolve your problem, you 
always abort much sooner than that, and go out to try again.  You can 
deploy an IMF as quickly as you can shift a motor and rev it up to the 
point where the prop bites.  The IMF may even be faster if you already 
know that is your "go-to" solution.

Once you know it works, you can sail into the slip every time.


Bill

PPS -- It's beautiful today.  I'll either clean up the rest of my email 
or go sailing.  I'm thinking...thinking.......



Jay Friedland wrote:

> List-
> This was a personal response that accidently went live. Please excuse 
> me and delete this. Thanks. Jay
>
>
> On Jun 23, 2005, at 7:03 AM, Jay Friedland wrote:
>
>> Bill,
>> Could that be from first hand experience?
>>
>> First opportunity to e-mail. I took my son back to college on Sunday, 
>> and traveled between Phila & NYC til last night sans computer, sail 
>> time, etc.
>>
>> I'd like to follow-up more later, but suffice to say Saturday was one 
>> of those stand alone days when something clicked, or at least 
>> something to refer back as forever changed; not turning point yet 
>> until some action is taken. I always appreciated our time together, 
>> but you gave (I got) so much of yourself I had to thank you more than 
>> our other times.
>>
>> Just a quick update-Jody got the book, refused to sign the reissue of 
>> her contract, is giving it till this weekend's open house to pull the 
>> plug. She's planning on pulling the house off the market for July, 
>> and put it back as sale by owner in August. She has no problem with a 
>> month's plus expenses and upkeep, and knows all she learned about 
>> what not to do from the agent she/ we'll put into practice then. 
>> We're getting together with the book this weekend and hope to have 
>> the issues questions we need to resolve together by then as we go 
>> forward. We may have a question or two for you afterwards, but won't 
>> burden you till we get the big picture.
>>
>> Planning my boat repairs this weekend and resume the learning curve 
>> on the weak link from Saturday. My real challenge was getting the 
>> boat up on planing, but now I figure maybe that was what got me into 
>> trouble last Saturday heading into the slip.
>>
>> The big question is if you and Diane (?) got to Mud City that night.
>> Best regards, J
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 22, 2005, at 9:31 PM, Bill Effros wrote:
>>
>>> Right!
>>>
>>> P&M Beals wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey Jay, thanks for the offer.
>>>> Mike and I are hoping for Sunday to go out from Keyport but it 
>>>> wouldn't be
>>>> til 2 likely.  The forecast is for 85 and humid...now that sounds like
>>>> pretty tame sailing weather.
>>>>
>>>> We went and sat on her on Memorial Day after my daughter finished  her
>>>> parade route. Beautiful breezes from 5-15 I would say, but there was a
>>>> threat of that thunderstorm, well, so we sat and did some cleaning.
>>>> We did very much enjoy the drink at the club afterwards.
>>>>
>>>> So, let's stay in touch and see. Is  your boat in at LBI now? Are 
>>>> weekdays
>>>> ever a possibility for you?
>>>>
>>>> Also, funny thing is that I haven't met the owner but there is another
>>>> Rhodes 22 moored right beside ours. The guy sails, I hear, about 
>>>> 122 days a
>>>> year which isn't too shabby for NJ ( OK some exaggeration 
>>>> possibly)...the
>>>> boat yard owner who is renting us our mooring, told me the other 
>>>> Rhodie
>>>> headed out to the Rhodes 22, and almost boarded our boat-he was so 
>>>> surprised
>>>> to see another Rhodes 22 moored there. He has a traditional 
>>>> mainsail with a
>>>> furling genoa jib.  Eventually it should be interesting to see how 
>>>> our IMF
>>>> sails along side of his traditional mainsail...  I am still waiting 
>>>> to see
>>>> if I will be satisfied with how close you can point with the IMF main.
>>>>
>>>> But just sailing the boat will be fine!!
>>>> We did it last year dealing with strong currents and a dock...a 
>>>> mooring
>>>> should be easier. Right, Bill?
>>>> Phyllis
>>>> Whisper Keyport
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: Jay Friedland <jsail1 at verizon.net>
>>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 18:04:03 -0400
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Researching the archives of this site
>>>>>
>>>>> Phyllis-
>>>>> Still on call-your place or mine.
>>>>> Jay
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 3, 2005, at 5:56 PM, P&M Beals wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok, I've been lurking all winter since the politics of '04 died 
>>>>>> down...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Blieve me some of the stories are better than others, but I have
>>>>>> enjoyed
>>>>>> enough, and learned enough along the way to stay on board-
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and I have a question....how do you explore the archives of this 
>>>>>> site?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whisper is now moored in Keyport, NJ. We left S.I. for much prettier
>>>>>> horizons with view of the Verazzano Narrows Bridge, Manhattan.
>>>>>> Right on Raritan Bay, we should enjoy some good sailing if we get 
>>>>>> over
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> intial fear of getting away from and back to our mooring without
>>>>>> encountering a lot of other pretty cool sailboats.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lucky for us with our shallow draft we will be able to set sail and
>>>>>> head for
>>>>>> open water quite quickly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But, I don't know the trick to researching the archives...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>> Phyllis
>>>>>> Whisper
>>>>>> Keyport
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: "ed kroposki" <ekroposki at charter.net>
>>>>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 08:21:08 -0400
>>>>>>> To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Black Tower Jay
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jay,
>>>>>>> We already have a 'Jay' on the list so we will need an additional
>>>>>>> identifier.  Your dungeons and dragons moniker will simply not 
>>>>>>> do for
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> sailing forum.  Maybe you need to think pirates.
>>>>>>> As Lloyd and Michael have pointed out, more information would be in
>>>>>>> order.  This forum covers the entire USA and Canada at this time.
>>>>>>> So where is this church?  Was this boat there as a result of a
>>>>>>> religious experience or guilt trip?
>>>>>>> Have you completely explored the www.Rhodes22.org web site.  Have
>>>>>>> you visited the competition at 
>>>>>>> http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/.
>>>>>>> Have
>>>>>>> you explored the archives of this site?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ed K
>>>>>>> Greenville, SC, USA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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