[Rhodes22-list] Anchor Chain Question
Bill Effros
bill at effros.com
Tue Mar 22 00:22:15 EST 2005
Wally,
Never use an engineer for your legal advice.
Oh, and by the way, Chapman recommends all line rode.
Bill Effros
Roger Pihlaja wrote:
>Wally,
>
>What stretch of the Tennessee River do you sail on? I've sailed on Kentucky
>Lake from the canal at the northern end down about as far south as the Hwy
>68 bridge and Kenlake State Park. On the same trip we sailed the adjoining
>Lake Barkley (made by damming the Cumberland River?) from Barkley State Park
>north up to the canal. This was back in 1989.
>
>Hey, I'm glad your anchoring technique works for you in your home waters for
>the uses you put your boat to. Maybe someday you'll range further afield
>with your Rhodes 22. I hope someday, you'll consider exploring some of the
>Great Lakes.
>
>I carry insurance on my boat to financially protect myself & my family in
>the event of castatrophic loss of property or lives. Hopefully, you weren't
>serious with your flipant reason to carry insurance on your boat. If you
>were, hopefully, you'll never have to test the coverage of your insurance
>policy. I'm glad the question gave you a chuckle; but, do you know the
>answer to it? I can guarantee your boat insurance company won't be playing
>around if you ever present them with a major claim. If they can demonstrate
>even partial negligence or incompetence on your part, you can bet they will
>try to weasel out of paying for all or as much of the claim as possible.
>It's nothing personal, it's just business.
>
>Wally, if I offended you, I'm sorry. I guess I tend to be a little blunt
>with my answers. Even though you've had good local success with your
>anchoring technique in your own home waters, just realise that the use of
>chain on an anchor is recommended by virtually any reference on boating that
>I can think of. In fact, other than your own personal experience, if you
>can cite even one authoritative reference that says your anchoring technique
>is OK, I would like to read it. People have been anchoring for thousands of
>years. These recommended anchoring techniques didn't just spring up out of
>thin air. There are a lot of damaged boats, spilled blood, and lost lives
>behind these procedures.
>
>Roger Pihlaja
>S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Wally Buck" <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
>To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 9:53 PM
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchor Chain Question
>
>
>
>
>>Roger,
>>
>>Your response suggests you did not read my posts. i suggested in two
>>different emails that Bill should bring chain when he trailered his boat.
>>
>>
>I
>
>
>>understand why chain is used. I have had anchors drag before but not on my
>>stretch of the TN. The sticky clay and mud bottom allows one to set an
>>anchor that will hold fast. It also creates a mess that I opt not to deal
>>with.
>>
>>A couple of points.....no the mud and clay does not always wash off with a
>>couple of dunks. More than once I had to walk the chain aft, hang over the
>>side and brush the anchor and chain clean. It is much easier not to have
>>
>>
>to
>
>
>>clean chain. I don't want to go sailing with my anchor chain soaking in a
>>bucket either. Do you really sail around with your anchor chain in a
>>
>>
>bucket
>
>
>>of water soaking?
>>
>>You say the anchor ALWAYS sets and holds better with chain. Well my anchor
>>doesn't drag in the conditions I described. How can something hold better
>>than that? It either drags or it doesn't.
>>
>>Your comment regarding insurance gave me a chuckle. The only reason I have
>>insurance is my marina requires boat insurance. When I overnight the coves
>>are usaully empty. If there is another boat close it is usally my friend
>>
>>
>in
>
>
>>his Sea Pearl. He doesn't use chain either! Yeah I know we are breaking
>>
>>
>the
>
>
>>rules; we also anchor off the stern!
>>
>>When I first got the Rhodes I really thought we would trailer more. But
>>sometimes the grass isn't greener. I found out the nicest sailing waters
>>within at least 500 miles is the place I call home. My lake is 75 miles
>>
>>
>long
>
>
>>(locks at each end)with at least 40 miles wide enough for sailing. If one
>>wants to you could cruise for hundreds of miles and come out at the Gulf.
>>
>>
>We
>
>
>>have safe anchorages always close. We enjoy year round sailing with
>>
>>
>mountain
>
>
>>views, a huge variety of bird life, decent fishing, and not much of a bug
>>problem. I meet people all of the time that drive or cruise hundreds of
>>miles to enjoy my little lake. Bill sails about 80 miles upriver from me.
>>
>>
>I
>
>
>>was just passing on my experience.
>>
>>I have anchored in the waters I commented on. You have not. But thanks for
>>letting my know how reckless I am. :-)
>>
>>Wally
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: "Roger Pihlaja" <cen09402 at centurytel.net>
>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchor Chain Question
>>>Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:59:40 -0500
>>>
>>>Wally,
>>>
>>>#1, you do not entirely lose shock absorption with chain. The energy
>>>absorption just changes to a different mechanism. With nylon rode, shock
>>>absorption comes primarily from stretching the nylon polymer after the
>>>caternary curve is pulled straight. With chain, shock absorption comes
>>>from
>>>the energy that is required to lift the chain up off the bottom
>>>
>>>
>(potential
>
>
>>>energy) + the viscous drag as the links of chain are pulled thru the
>>>
>>>
>water
>
>
>>>as the shock load straightens out the caternary curve. Note that both of
>>>these energy absorbing things must happen before the boat or occupants
>>>would
>>>feel any shock at all. Yes, you will get more shock absorption with an
>>>
>>>
>all
>
>
>>>nylon rode. But, I've tried it both ways & the difference is not that
>>>noticeable. In 6 feet of water on 7:1 scope & assuming 2 feet of
>>>freeboard,
>>>the rode length would be:
>>>
>>>7 * (6 ft water + 2 ft freeboard) = 56 ft total rode
>>>
>>>56 ft total rode - 22 ft chain = 34 ft of nylon rode
>>>
>>>[Difference in Nylon Stretch] = {1 - (34 / 56)} * 100 = 39.3% less
>>>
>>>
>stretch
>
>
>>>with 22 ft of chain vs. all nylon rode & most of this difference is made
>>>
>>>
>up
>
>
>>>for in the alternate energy absorption mechanisms described above.
>>>
>>>#2, when we cruise, we don't typically know in advance how crowded the
>>>anchorage is going to be at the end of the day or what the sea-bed is
>>>
>>>
>going
>
>
>>>to be like. Typically, with a small sailboat, we arrive at a popular
>>>anchorage after the big fast powerboats have taken all of the good spots.
>>>So, quite often, we end up anchoring in the less desirable spots.
>>>Fortunately, with the R-22's shallow draft, we can usually utilize
>>>anchorages the big boats shy away from. But, weather conditions,
>>>overcrowding, a noisy party on shore, poor holding conditions on the
>>>sea-bed, or any of a number of other factors may cause a change of
>>>anchoring
>>>venue. Also, when you are anchored off a deserted island 35 nm from
>>>
>>>
>shore
>
>
>>>in the middle of one of the Great Lakes and the weather changes for the
>>>worse, you don't have a lot of options. There is nowhere to run to.
>>>Therefore, your anchor(s) had better hold or you are in deep trouble! In
>>>addition, with an all nylon rode, sooner or later you are going to have
>>>problems with some anomalous sharp object on the sea-bed. People have
>>>
>>>
>been
>
>
>>>visiting these anchorages for a very long time and some of them throw
>>>
>>>
>sharp
>
>
>>>stuff overboard. It's just a fact of life. With chain, this sharp stuff
>>>on
>>>the sea-bed, be it natural or manmade, becomes a nonissue. Therefore,
>>>since
>>>you have to have the chain on board anyway for safety's sake and the
>>>
>>>
>anchor
>
>
>>>ALWAYS sets and holds better with the chain no matter what the condition
>>>
>>>
>of
>
>
>>>the sea-bed; then, you might as well go ahead and use the chain.
>>>
>>>My experience is that the chain is no more trouble to clean the mud off
>>>
>>>
>of
>
>
>>>than the anchor itself. You just dunk it a few times, or at worst, coil
>>>
>>>
>it
>
>
>>>up in a bucket of water & let it soak for a while. As far as I'm
>>>concerned,
>>>it's all part of the game.
>>>
>>>Hey, if you always sail in your own little cruising area, those waters
>>>
>>>
>are
>
>
>>>small and protected, and the sea-bed has good holding in that location;
>>>then, you probably don't need to use chain. We like to range further
>>>afield
>>>on bigger water that we've never explored before. We have to be prepared
>>>to
>>>deal with the sea-bed and prevailing weather as and where we find it.
>>>You've evidently never dragged anchor in a storm. Once that's happened
>>>
>>>
>to
>
>
>>>you, it may cause you to rethink your anchoring technique.
>>>
>>>FYI, have you checked your boat insurance policy regarding their coverage
>>>policy on claims due to the owner's negligence? i.e. - If you lost your
>>>boat or caused damage to another boat while it was at anchor because the
>>>anchor dragged on an all nylon rode and the instructions that came with
>>>
>>>
>the
>
>
>>>anchor recommended the use of a certain minimum length of chain, what
>>>
>>>
>would
>
>
>>>your insurance policy cover?
>>>
>>>Bottom line, for us on Dynamic Equilibrium, the boat length of chain
>>>
>>>
>rigged
>
>
>>>with each anchor is cheap insurance.
>>>
>>>Roger Pihlaja
>>>S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Wally Buck" <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
>>>To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 11:45 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchor Chain Question
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Roger,
>>>>
>>>>I agree chain has it uses. However there is not much need for chain
>>>>
>>>>
>when
>
>
>>>>anchoring in Bill's local waters. I suggested he use chain when on the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>coast
>>>
>>>
>>>>or traveling to areas with unknown bottom. If I were traveling to
>>>>
>>>>
>>>different
>>>
>>>
>>>>waters I would bring my chain but experience has taught me it is not
>>>>
>>>>
>>>needed
>>>
>>>
>>>>for my local hang outs.
>>>>
>>>>Not using chain has nothing to do with lack of physical ability. I am
>>>>
>>>>
>>>quite
>>>
>>>
>>>>fit; I just don't like hauling up chain coated with red mud/clay. More
>>>>importantly my boat holds quite fast without chain. I have learned a
>>>>
>>>>
>few
>
>
>>>>things spending a hundred plus nights on the river. One lesson
>>>>
>>>>
>learned;
>
>
>>>I
>>>
>>>
>>>>don't need chain. I check for chafe but I don't have any. No worries.
>>>>
>>>>I typically anchor in 6 feet of water in coves surrounded by trees and
>>>>hills. Very much like the area Bill sails locally. If a heavy storm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>rolls
>>>in
>>>
>>>
>>>>I could quickly rig second anchor if needed. My single cheap anchor
>>>>
>>>>
>has
>
>
>>>>always held just fine. This includes riding out summer thunderstorms
>>>>
>>>>
>and
>
>
>>>>winter Noreasters.
>>>>
>>>>Your tip sheet is good advice but it does not apply to all bottoms. If
>>>>
>>>>
>>>you
>>>
>>>
>>>>want to mess with chain even in areas that don't require go for it. Me
>>>>
>>>>
>I
>
>
>>>>would rather not have to re-dip the anchor a mess of time to try to
>>>>
>>>>
>>>clean
>>>
>>>
>>>>off stubborn red clay. A bunch of folks at my marina told me the same
>>>>
>>>>
>>>thing.
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Oh it will not hold, you will chafe problems." Guess what? They were
>>>>
>>>>
>>>wrong!
>>>
>>>
>>>>So I am off to the lake for the night. And no I will not have a single
>>>>
>>>>
>>>link
>>>
>>>
>>>>of chain with me!
>>>>
>>>>Wally
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From: "Roger Pihlaja" <cen09402 at centurytel.net>
>>>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchor Chain Question
>>>>>Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:24:18 -0500
>>>>>
>>>>>Gentlemen,
>>>>>
>>>>>The following quote is taken from the SAFE ANCHORING TIPS sheet
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>supplied
>>>in
>>>
>>>
>>>>>the package by the NAV-X Corporation when I bought my Fortress
>>>>>
>>>>>
>anchor:
>
>
>>>>>5: ANCHOR RODE: Use a short length of chain and three strand nylon
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>rope.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>The nylon rope is very elastic and greatly reduces the shock loads on
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>your
>>>
>>>
>>>>>boat and your anchoring system. The chain protects the rope against
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>chafe
>>>
>>>
>>>>>from the sea-bed and also provides a more horizontal pull on the
>>>>
>>>>
>anchor
>
>
>>>>>when
>>>>>it is just beginning to set. If you normally anchor in 25' of water
>>>>>
>>>>>
>or
>
>
>>>>>less, use 6' of chain. For greater depths, add 6' of chain for every
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>25'
>>>
>>>
>>>>>of
>>>>>depth. For example, use 24' of chain if you anchor in 100' of water.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Note that the tip sheet cites two reasons why you should use chain:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>CHAFE
>>>
>>>
>>>>>RESISTANCE against "stuff" on the sea-bed + WEIGHT at the anchor
>>>>>
>>>>>
>end
>
>
>>>of
>>>
>>>
>>>>>the rode to help make the pull on the anchor more horizontal,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>especially
>>>
>>>
>>>>>when the anchor is just beginning to set. When cruising, I usually
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>don't
>>>
>>>
>>>>>know in advance how deep the water is going to be where I'm going to
>>>>>anchor.
>>>>>In addition, even on a supposedly pristine sand or mud bottom, you
>>>>>
>>>>>
>just
>
>
>>>>>never know when your nylon anchor rode is going to find a piece of
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>broken
>>>
>>>
>>>>>glass or an old sharp piece of metal. Therefore, on Dynamic
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>Equilibrium,
>>>
>>>
>>>>>the anchors are rigged with one boat length of chain.
>>>>>
>>>>>1/4" Hot Dip Galvanized Proof Coil chain weighs 0.63 lbs/ft, so 22
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>feet
>>>of
>>>
>>>
>>>>>this chain weighs about 13.9 lbs. If you are worried about this
>>>>>
>>>>>
>amount
>
>
>>>of
>>>
>>>
>>>>>weight on your boat or have trouble retrieving it, well God bless
>>>>>
>>>>>
>you.
>
>
>>>For
>>>
>>>
>>>>>me, it's cheap insurance.
>>>>>
>>>>>Roger Pihlaja
>>>>>S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
>>>>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 9:30 AM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchor Chain Question
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Bill,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As I understand the function of chain, its primary purpose is to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>prevent
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>line abrasion on the bottom. If you don't have a rough bottom you
>>>>>>really don't need chain. As soon as you set a Danford type anchor
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>you
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>have pulled the chain off the bottom, and the chain and line
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>should
>
>
>>>stay
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>off the bottom, putting all the pressure on the anchor flukes and
>>>>>>causing them to dig strongly into the bottom.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If you have sufficient scope, the pressure on the anchor is
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>horizontal
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>within the design specifications, and it should reset itself as
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>needed
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>if the boat slowly swings around it due to wind or current shifts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>When
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>you are ready to retrieve it, you move the boat over the anchor
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>and
>
>
>>>pull
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>vertically, and the anchor releases. (You can pull the boat over
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>anchor by hauling in the line, but it's much easier to motor over,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>and
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>pull just line straight up until you get to the anchor, which in
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>our
>
>
>>>>>>case should weigh less than 10 lbs.) The beauty of the Fortress
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>anchors
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>is that they are both lighter and stronger than conventional
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>anchors.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>Bill Effros
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>William E. Wickman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You are right Wally. It is all mud and clay with the occasional
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>rock
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>cropping here. I think I may cut my 20 ft chain in half and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>carry
>
>
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>resulting pair of 10 ft lengths for use when I go to the coast.
>>>>>>>Bill W.
>>>>>>>--------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces
>>>>>>>Sent: 03/19/2005 06:57 AM
>>>>>>>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchor Chain Question
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Bill,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I agree with Bill here. I started out using about 8 feet of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>chain.
>
>
>>>For
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>my conditions I quickly found out that I don't need any chain. I
>>>>>>>anchors in fairly shallow coves with red clay bottom. It has
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>never
>
>
>>>>>>>been a problem. The chain seemed like extra hassle and weight.
>>>>>>>Everyone told me this was going to be a big problem. It has
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>worked
>
>
>>>>>>>just fine and I spend a bunch of nights anchored. I would guess
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>your
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>conditions up river are much the same. If you plan on towing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>your
>
>
>>>boat
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>to the coast I would suggest chain but don't see any need on the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>river.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Wally.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>>>>>>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchor Chain Question
>>>>>>>>Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:04:01 -0500
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Bill,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I've got the Fortress FX11, and I think it's a terrific anchor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>I
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>also have the smallest Guardian anchor, which I store in a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>pouch,
>
>
>>>>>>>>unassembled, and I've been very happy with that one also.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I think those people know a lot about anchors, and I would be
>>>>>>>>inclined to follow their recommendations.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I have several lines with differing amounts of chain on each,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>and
>
>
>>>>>>>>several with no chain at all. I find I always go for the no
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>chain
>>>at
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>all, because I've never had any trouble with it, and it's so
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>much
>
>
>>>>>>>>easier to handle.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The trick to anchoring (as with so many other things) is
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>practice.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>Try setting your anchor when it's not critical. See if you
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>have
>
>
>>>>>>>>enough navigation skill to be able to determine if your anchor
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>is
>
>
>>>>>>>>dragging.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>When it's really blowing you shouldn't be on our boats in the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>first
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>place. Anchoring and praying is not the answer. If you are
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>trapped
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>in a situation like this, and can't get to shore, head for open
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>water
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>and heave-to. Practice heaving-to, too. Work with the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>elements,
>
>
>>>not
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>against them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The guy who developed those anchors recommends setting 2 at 180
>>>>>>>>degrees apart and tying both off on the bow. Then neither one
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>will
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>have to reset if current or wind shifts. Differing lengths of
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>chain
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>will not matter, longer scope can be set because the boat will
>>>>>>>>rotate in a much smaller arc relative to other boats.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Avoid anchor overkill. That goes for the chain, too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Bill Effros
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>William E. Wickman wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I just got my nifty Fortress FX7 anchor. The instructions
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>that
>
>
>>>came
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>>the anchor said to use a short length of anchor chain (6 feet
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>of
>
>
>>>>>>>>>chain if
>>>>>>>>>anchoring in 25' of water or less, and add another 6 feet of
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>chain
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>for each
>>>>>>>>>additional 25' of depth). Their claim is that chain anchor
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>rodes
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>lack the
>>>>>>>>>shock absorbancy of nylon rope when the wind increases. This
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>advice
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>runs
>>>>>>>>>contrary to what I have been reading in the Rhodes FAQ that
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>most
>
>
>>>of
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>you are
>>>>>>>>>using around 20 feet of chain. So, does the Fortress require
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>less
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>chain
>>>>>>>>>because it is so light? What gives? I presume that these
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>anchor
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>guys know
>>>>>>>>>what they are talking about, but...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Also, since I have 20 feet of chain that I use with my gbi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>anchor,
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>what are
>>>>>>>>>the dynamics of using shorter chain on a second anchor when
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>setting
>>>
>>>
>>>>>two
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>anchors? Does it really matter?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>B. Wickman
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>__________________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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