[Rhodes22-list] Anchor Chain Question

Wally Buck tnrhodey at hotmail.com
Tue Mar 22 09:17:28 EST 2005 

Bill,

I like to keep things simple. It works for me. I will have to check 
Chapman's.

Wally

>From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchor Chain Question
>Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:22:15 -0500
>
>Wally,
>
>Never use an engineer for your legal advice.
>
>Oh, and by the way, Chapman recommends all line rode.
>
>Bill Effros
>
>
>Roger Pihlaja wrote:
>
>>Wally,
>>
>>What stretch of the Tennessee River do you sail on?  I've sailed on 
>>Kentucky
>>Lake from the canal at the northern end down about as far south as the Hwy
>>68 bridge and Kenlake State Park.  On the same trip we sailed the 
>>adjoining
>>Lake Barkley (made by damming the Cumberland River?) from Barkley State 
>>Park
>>north up to the canal.  This was back in 1989.
>>
>>Hey, I'm glad your anchoring technique works for you in your home waters 
>>for
>>the uses you put your boat to.  Maybe someday you'll range further afield
>>with your Rhodes 22.  I hope someday, you'll consider exploring some of 
>>the
>>Great Lakes.
>>
>>I carry insurance on my boat to financially protect myself & my family in
>>the event of castatrophic loss of property or lives.  Hopefully, you 
>>weren't
>>serious with your flipant reason to carry insurance on your boat.  If you
>>were, hopefully, you'll never have to test the coverage of your insurance
>>policy.  I'm glad the question gave you a chuckle; but, do you know the
>>answer to it?  I can guarantee your boat insurance company won't be 
>>playing
>>around if you ever present them with a major claim.  If they can 
>>demonstrate
>>even partial negligence or incompetence on your part, you can bet they 
>>will
>>try to weasel out of paying for all or as much of the claim as possible.
>>It's nothing personal, it's just business.
>>
>>Wally, if I offended you, I'm sorry.  I guess I tend to be a little blunt
>>with my answers.  Even though you've had good local success with your
>>anchoring technique in your own home waters, just realise that the use of
>>chain on an anchor is recommended by virtually any reference on boating 
>>that
>>I can think of.  In fact, other than your own personal experience, if you
>>can cite even one authoritative reference that says your anchoring 
>>technique
>>is OK, I would like to read it.  People have been anchoring for thousands 
>>of
>>years.  These recommended anchoring techniques didn't just spring up out 
>>of
>>thin air.  There are a lot of damaged boats, spilled blood, and lost lives
>>behind these procedures.
>>
>>Roger Pihlaja
>>S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Wally Buck" <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
>>To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 9:53 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchor Chain Question
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Roger,
>>>
>>>Your response suggests you did not read my posts. i suggested in two
>>>different emails that Bill should bring chain when he trailered his boat.
>>>
>>>
>>I
>>
>>
>>>understand why chain is used. I have had anchors drag before but not on 
>>>my
>>>stretch of the TN. The sticky clay and mud bottom allows one to set an
>>>anchor that will hold fast. It also creates a mess that I opt not to deal
>>>with.
>>>
>>>A couple of points.....no the mud and clay does not always wash off with 
>>>a
>>>couple of dunks. More than once I had to walk the chain aft, hang over 
>>>the
>>>side and brush the anchor and chain clean. It is much easier not to have
>>>
>>>
>>to
>>
>>
>>>clean chain. I don't want to go sailing with my anchor chain soaking in a
>>>bucket either. Do you really sail around with your anchor chain in a
>>>
>>>
>>bucket
>>
>>
>>>of water soaking?
>>>
>>>You say the anchor ALWAYS sets and holds better with chain. Well my 
>>>anchor
>>>doesn't drag in the conditions I described. How can something hold better
>>>than that? It either drags or it doesn't.
>>>
>>>Your comment regarding insurance gave me a chuckle. The only reason I 
>>>have
>>>insurance is my marina requires boat insurance. When I overnight the 
>>>coves
>>>are usaully empty. If there is another boat close it is usally my friend
>>>
>>>
>>in
>>
>>
>>>his Sea Pearl. He doesn't use chain either! Yeah I know we are breaking
>>>
>>>
>>the
>>
>>
>>>rules; we also anchor off the stern!
>>>
>>>When I first got the Rhodes I really thought we would trailer more.  But
>>>sometimes the grass isn't greener. I found out the nicest sailing waters
>>>within at least 500 miles is the place I call home. My lake is 75 miles
>>>
>>>
>>long
>>
>>
>>>(locks at each end)with at least 40 miles wide enough for sailing. If one
>>>wants to you could cruise for hundreds of miles and come out at the Gulf.
>>>
>>>
>>We
>>
>>
>>>have safe anchorages always close. We enjoy year round sailing with
>>>
>>>
>>mountain
>>
>>
>>>views, a huge variety of bird life, decent fishing, and not much of a bug
>>>problem. I meet people all of the time that drive or cruise hundreds of
>>>miles to enjoy my little lake. Bill sails about 80 miles upriver from me.
>>>
>>>
>>I
>>
>>
>>>was just passing on my experience.
>>>
>>>I have anchored in the waters I commented on. You have not. But thanks 
>>>for
>>>letting my know how reckless I am. :-)
>>>
>>>Wally
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: "Roger Pihlaja" <cen09402 at centurytel.net>
>>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchor Chain Question
>>>>Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:59:40 -0500
>>>>
>>>>Wally,
>>>>
>>>>#1, you do not entirely lose shock absorption with chain.  The energy
>>>>absorption just changes to a different mechanism.  With nylon rode, 
>>>>shock
>>>>absorption comes primarily from stretching the nylon polymer after the
>>>>caternary curve is pulled straight.  With chain, shock absorption comes
>>>>from
>>>>the energy that is required to lift the chain up off the bottom
>>>>
>>>>
>>(potential
>>
>>
>>>>energy) + the viscous drag as the links of chain are pulled thru the
>>>>
>>>>
>>water
>>
>>
>>>>as the shock load straightens out the caternary curve.  Note that both 
>>>>of
>>>>these energy absorbing things must happen before the boat or occupants
>>>>would
>>>>feel any shock at all.  Yes, you will get more shock absorption with an
>>>>
>>>>
>>all
>>
>>
>>>>nylon rode.  But, I've tried it both ways & the difference is not that
>>>>noticeable.  In 6 feet of water on 7:1 scope & assuming 2 feet of
>>>>freeboard,
>>>>the rode length would be:
>>>>
>>>>7 * (6 ft water + 2 ft freeboard) = 56 ft total rode
>>>>
>>>>56 ft total rode - 22 ft chain = 34 ft of nylon rode
>>>>
>>>>[Difference in Nylon Stretch] = {1 - (34 / 56)} * 100 = 39.3% less
>>>>
>>>>
>>stretch
>>
>>
>>>>with 22 ft of chain vs. all nylon rode & most of this difference is made
>>>>
>>>>
>>up
>>
>>
>>>>for in the alternate energy absorption mechanisms described above.
>>>>
>>>>#2, when we cruise, we don't typically know in advance how crowded the
>>>>anchorage is going to be at the end of the day or what the sea-bed is
>>>>
>>>>
>>going
>>
>>
>>>>to be like.  Typically, with a small sailboat, we arrive at a popular
>>>>anchorage after the big fast powerboats have taken all of the good 
>>>>spots.
>>>>So, quite often, we end up anchoring in the less desirable spots.
>>>>Fortunately, with the R-22's shallow draft, we can usually utilize
>>>>anchorages the big boats shy away from.  But, weather conditions,
>>>>overcrowding, a noisy party on shore, poor holding conditions on the
>>>>sea-bed, or any of a number of other factors may cause a change of
>>>>anchoring
>>>>venue.  Also, when you are anchored off a deserted island 35 nm from
>>>>
>>>>
>>shore
>>
>>
>>>>in the middle of one of the Great Lakes and the weather changes for the
>>>>worse, you don't have a lot of options.  There is nowhere to run to.
>>>>Therefore, your anchor(s) had better hold or you are in deep trouble!  
>>>>In
>>>>addition, with an all nylon rode, sooner or later you are going to have
>>>>problems with some anomalous sharp object on the sea-bed.  People have
>>>>
>>>>
>>been
>>
>>
>>>>visiting these anchorages for a very long time and some of them throw
>>>>
>>>>
>>sharp
>>
>>
>>>>stuff overboard.  It's just a fact of life.  With chain, this sharp 
>>>>stuff
>>>>on
>>>>the sea-bed, be it natural or manmade, becomes a nonissue.  Therefore,
>>>>since
>>>>you have to have the chain on board anyway for safety's sake and the
>>>>
>>>>
>>anchor
>>
>>
>>>>ALWAYS sets and holds better with the chain no matter what the condition
>>>>
>>>>
>>of
>>
>>
>>>>the sea-bed; then, you might as well go ahead and use the chain.
>>>>
>>>>My experience is that the chain is no more trouble to clean the mud off
>>>>
>>>>
>>of
>>
>>
>>>>than the anchor itself.  You just dunk it a few times, or at worst, coil
>>>>
>>>>
>>it
>>
>>
>>>>up in a bucket of water & let it soak for a while.  As far as I'm
>>>>concerned,
>>>>it's all part of the game.
>>>>
>>>>Hey, if you always sail in your own little cruising area, those waters
>>>>
>>>>
>>are
>>
>>
>>>>small and protected, and the sea-bed has good holding in that location;
>>>>then, you probably don't need to use chain.  We like to range further
>>>>afield
>>>>on bigger water that we've never explored before.  We have to be 
>>>>prepared
>>>>to
>>>>deal with the sea-bed and prevailing weather as and where we find it.
>>>>You've evidently never dragged anchor in a storm.  Once that's happened
>>>>
>>>>
>>to
>>
>>
>>>>you, it may cause you to rethink your anchoring technique.
>>>>
>>>>FYI, have you checked your boat insurance policy regarding their 
>>>>coverage
>>>>policy on claims due to the owner's negligence?  i.e. - If you lost your
>>>>boat or caused damage to another boat while it was at anchor because the
>>>>anchor dragged on an all nylon rode and the instructions that came with
>>>>
>>>>
>>the
>>
>>
>>>>anchor recommended the use of a certain minimum length of chain, what
>>>>
>>>>
>>would
>>
>>
>>>>your insurance policy cover?
>>>>
>>>>Bottom line, for us on Dynamic Equilibrium, the boat length of chain
>>>>
>>>>
>>rigged
>>
>>
>>>>with each anchor is cheap insurance.
>>>>
>>>>Roger Pihlaja
>>>>S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Wally Buck" <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
>>>>To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 11:45 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchor Chain Question
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Roger,
>>>>>
>>>>>I agree chain has it uses. However there is not much need for chain
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>when
>>
>>
>>>>>anchoring in Bill's local waters. I suggested he use chain when on the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>coast
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>or traveling to areas with unknown bottom. If I were traveling to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>different
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>waters I would bring my chain but experience has taught me it is not
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>needed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>for my local hang outs.
>>>>>
>>>>>Not using chain has nothing to do with lack of physical ability. I am
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>quite
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>fit; I just don't like hauling up chain coated with red mud/clay. More
>>>>>importantly my boat holds quite fast without chain. I have learned a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>few
>>
>>
>>>>>things spending a hundred plus nights on the river. One lesson
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>learned;
>>
>>
>>>>I
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>don't need chain. I check for chafe but I don't have any. No worries.
>>>>>
>>>>>I typically anchor in 6 feet of water in coves surrounded by trees and
>>>>>hills. Very much like the area Bill sails locally. If a heavy storm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>rolls
>>>>in
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I could quickly rig second anchor if needed. My single cheap anchor
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>has
>>
>>
>>>>>always held just fine. This includes riding out summer thunderstorms
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>and
>>
>>
>>>>>winter Noreasters.
>>>>>
>>>>>Your tip sheet is good advice but it does not apply to all bottoms. If
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>you
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>want to mess with chain even in areas that don't require go for it. Me
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>I
>>
>>
>>>>>would rather not have to re-dip the anchor a mess of time to try to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>clean
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>off stubborn red clay. A bunch of folks at my marina told me the same
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>thing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Oh it will not hold, you will chafe problems." Guess what? They were
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>wrong!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>So I am off to the lake for the night. And no I will not have a single
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>link
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>of chain with me!
>>>>>
>>>>>Wally
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>From: "Roger Pihlaja" <cen09402 at centurytel.net>
>>>>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchor Chain Question
>>>>>>Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:24:18 -0500
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Gentlemen,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The following quote is taken from the SAFE ANCHORING TIPS sheet
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>supplied
>>>>in
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>the package by the NAV-X Corporation when I bought my Fortress
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>anchor:
>>
>>
>>>>>>5: ANCHOR RODE: Use a short length of chain and three strand nylon
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>rope.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>The nylon rope is very elastic and greatly reduces the shock loads on
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>your
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>boat and your anchoring system.  The chain protects the rope against
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>chafe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>from the sea-bed and also provides a more horizontal pull on the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>anchor
>>
>>
>>>>>>when
>>>>>>it is just beginning to set.  If you normally anchor in 25' of water
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>or
>>
>>
>>>>>>less, use 6' of chain.  For greater depths, add 6' of chain for every
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>25'
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>depth.  For example, use 24' of chain if you anchor in 100' of water.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Note that the tip sheet cites two reasons why you should use chain:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>CHAFE
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>RESISTANCE against "stuff" on the sea-bed  +  WEIGHT at the anchor
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>end
>>
>>
>>>>of
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>the rode to help make the pull on the anchor more horizontal,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>especially
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>when the anchor is just beginning to set.  When cruising, I usually
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>don't
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>know in advance how deep the water is going to be where I'm going to
>>>>>>anchor.
>>>>>>In addition, even on a supposedly pristine sand or mud bottom, you
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>just
>>
>>
>>>>>>never know when your nylon anchor rode is going to find a piece of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>broken
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>glass or an old sharp piece of metal.  Therefore, on Dynamic
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>Equilibrium,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>the anchors are rigged with one boat length of chain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>1/4" Hot Dip Galvanized Proof  Coil chain weighs 0.63 lbs/ft, so 22
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>feet
>>>>of
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>this chain weighs about 13.9 lbs.  If you are worried about this
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>amount
>>
>>
>>>>of
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>weight on your boat or have trouble retrieving it, well God bless
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>you.
>>
>>
>>>>For
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>me, it's cheap insurance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Roger Pihlaja
>>>>>>S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
>>>>>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 9:30 AM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchor Chain Question
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Bill,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>As I understand the function of chain, its primary purpose is to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>prevent
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>line abrasion on the bottom.  If you don't have a rough bottom you
>>>>>>>really don't need chain.  As soon as you set a Danford type anchor
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>you
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>have pulled the chain off the bottom, and the chain and line
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>should
>>
>>
>>>>stay
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>off the bottom, putting all the pressure on the anchor flukes and
>>>>>>>causing them to dig strongly into the bottom.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If you have sufficient scope, the pressure on the anchor is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>horizontal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>within the design specifications, and it should reset itself as
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>needed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>if the boat slowly swings around it due to wind or current shifts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>When
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>you are ready to retrieve it, you move the boat over the anchor
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>and
>>
>>
>>>>pull
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>vertically, and the anchor releases.  (You can pull the boat over
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>anchor by hauling in the line, but it's much easier to motor over,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>and
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>pull just line straight up until you get to the anchor, which in
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>our
>>
>>
>>>>>>>case should weigh less than 10 lbs.)  The beauty of the Fortress
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>anchors
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>is that they are both lighter and stronger than conventional
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>anchors.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>Bill Effros
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>William E. Wickman wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You are right Wally.  It is all mud and clay with the occasional
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>rock
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>cropping here.  I think I may cut my 20 ft chain in half and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>carry
>>
>>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>resulting pair of 10 ft lengths for use when I go to the coast.
>>>>>>>>Bill W.
>>>>>>>>--------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces
>>>>>>>>Sent: 03/19/2005 06:57 AM
>>>>>>>>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchor Chain Question
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Bill,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I agree with Bill here. I started out using about 8 feet of
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>chain.
>>
>>
>>>>For
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>my conditions I quickly found out that I don't need any chain. I
>>>>>>>>anchors in fairly shallow coves with red clay bottom. It has
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>never
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>been a problem. The chain seemed like extra hassle and weight.
>>>>>>>>Everyone told me this was going to be a big problem. It has
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>worked
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>just fine and I spend a bunch of nights anchored. I would guess
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>your
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>conditions up river are much the same. If you plan on towing
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>your
>>
>>
>>>>boat
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>to the coast I would suggest chain but don't see any need on the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>river.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Wally.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>>>>>>>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchor Chain Question
>>>>>>>>>Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:04:01 -0500
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Bill,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I've got the Fortress FX11, and I think it's a terrific anchor.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>I
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>also have the smallest Guardian anchor, which I store in a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>pouch,
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>unassembled, and I've been very happy with that one also.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I think those people know a lot about anchors, and I would be
>>>>>>>>>inclined to follow their recommendations.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I have several lines with differing amounts of chain on each,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>and
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>several with no chain at all.  I find I always go for the no
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>chain
>>>>at
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>all, because I've never had any trouble with it, and it's so
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>much
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>easier to handle.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The trick to anchoring (as with so many other things) is
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>practice.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Try setting your anchor when it's not critical.  See if you
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>have
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>enough navigation skill to be able to determine if your anchor
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>is
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>dragging.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>When it's really blowing you shouldn't be on our boats in the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>first
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>place.  Anchoring and praying is not the answer.  If you are
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>trapped
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>in a situation like this, and can't get to shore, head for open
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>water
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>and heave-to.  Practice heaving-to, too.  Work with the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>elements,
>>
>>
>>>>not
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>against them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The guy who developed those anchors recommends setting 2 at 180
>>>>>>>>>degrees apart and tying both off on the bow.  Then neither one
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>will
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>have to reset if current or wind shifts.  Differing lengths of
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>chain
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>will  not matter, longer scope can be set because the boat will
>>>>>>>>>rotate in a much smaller arc relative to other boats.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Avoid anchor overkill.  That goes for the chain, too.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Bill Effros
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>William E. Wickman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I just got my nifty Fortress FX7 anchor.  The instructions
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>that
>>
>>
>>>>came
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>>>the anchor said to use a short length of anchor chain (6 feet
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>of
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>chain if
>>>>>>>>>>anchoring in 25' of water or less, and add another 6 feet of
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>chain
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>for each
>>>>>>>>>>additional 25' of depth).  Their claim is that chain anchor
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>rodes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>lack the
>>>>>>>>>>shock absorbancy of nylon rope when the wind increases.  This
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>advice
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>runs
>>>>>>>>>>contrary to what I have been reading in the Rhodes FAQ that
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>most
>>
>>
>>>>of
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>you are
>>>>>>>>>>using around 20 feet of chain.  So, does the Fortress require
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>less
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>chain
>>>>>>>>>>because it is so light?  What gives?  I presume that these
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>anchor
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>guys know
>>>>>>>>>>what they are talking about, but...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Also, since I have 20 feet of chain that I use with my gbi
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>anchor,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>what are
>>>>>>>>>>the dynamics of using shorter chain on a second anchor when
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>setting
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>two
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>anchors?  Does it really matter?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>B. Wickman
>>>>>>>>>>
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