[Rhodes22-list] Anchoring
Bill Effros
bill at effros.com
Fri Mar 25 02:45:29 EST 2005
Slim,
I'm way out of my depth here. I know little enough about anchoring, and
less about anchoring in serious weeds.
"Kellet" and "sentinel" mean the same thing.
Some people do advocate 2, and even 3 hooks on the same line. Each is
set separately, in a different orientation from a bridle that joins the
3 under water. Seems complicated to me, and now you are trying to haul
up 3 anchors (and chain?) at the same time. I'll probably stick with 3
lines.
Your understanding of how a sentinel works is the same as mine. The
problem is that I don't anchor in 50 feet of water, so the sentinel
would drag my anchor line to the bottom, potentially fouling the line
between my Danforth and the sentinel, and subjecting it to chafe. This
is my problem with the 6, 8, 16, or 22 foot lengths of chain. No matter
how you figure it, with adequate scope and slack conditions some of the
line is going to end up on the bottom.
And in high wind conditions, the sentinel will not be heavy enough to
alter the angle of the line from the bow to the anchor.
Compared to the size of the anchors I am now using, the plows are
extremely unwieldy. The folding grapnels are the size of my fist. The
mushrooms are the size of a cantaloupe.
Once I was sure I knew how to set Fortress anchors, I disassembled them
and stored them in special bags designed for the purpose along with all
the hardware and tools necessary to reassemble them. They can be
reassembled and deployed in less than 5 minutes. They would never be
the first anchor I would use in an emergency. I always have the pretty
Danforth hanging off the bow, and I have line (with chain) in the bow
tray, ready to snap onto any anchor I think is most appropriate.
One of the nice things about no chain, small low-tech anchors is that
the whole rig is cheap, and you can always cut them loose if you simply
can't retrieve them. This has never happened to me, but knowing I've
only got $10 to $15 at stake makes it much easier to throw something at
a problem and see if it works. The real surprise is that most of them
work, can be retrieved, are less of a hassle, don't drag, are stronger
than required, and ultimately afford more peace of mind.
Let me know what works for you.
Bill Effros
Steve Alm wrote:
>Bill,
>
>On using two anchors on one line, I was referring to a sentinel (AKA a
>kellet?). I'm sure that two "hooks" on one line would work, as you say, at
>cross purposes. But the sentinel doesn't hook--it adds weight approximately
>half way between the boat and the primary anchor, thus creating the catenary
>effect, lowering the angel of pull allowing for less scope, and acting as a
>shock absorber. The sentinel mustn't hook on the bottom--that would defeat
>its purpose and probably snap its line which would be considerably lighter
>than the primary anchor line. Let's say I set my working anchor and pay out
>one hundred feet of line. Then I take the sentinel and attach 50 feet of
>light-weight line to it (only enough to support its own weight), snap it on
>to the main anchor line and let it slide down on its own, 50 feet down the
>line. When weighing anchor, first I pull the sentinel up and disconnect it.
>Then weigh the working anchor. Note: I'm writing this as if I know what
>I'm doing--this is really one big question. Do I have this right?
>
>Are the plows really that unwieldy? One thing I like about the Delta is the
>one-piece construction. When I'm handling the Danforth, with its floppy
>flukes, I'm always worried I'll pinch my delicate little piano-playing
>fingers. Same goes for the wife. (Hurting our hands is a constant
>concern.) I can't imagine a mushroom would hold at all in thick weeds and a
>grapnel might be near impossible to break out. We're talking very thick
>weeds here.
>
>Slim
>
>On 3/24/05 5:51 AM, "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Slim,
>>
>>I haven't gotten to 2 anchors on one line, yet, but my gut tells me 2
>>anchors on 2 lines makes more sense. For the most part, it seems to me
>>that 2 anchors on 1 line work at cross purposes.
>>
>>The amazing thing about Danforth anchors is that you can easily make
>>them dig in so deeply, and then easily release them by changing your
>>orientation to the shank.
>>
>>I have 2 different types of mushroom anchors, one that digs in, and the
>>other sits on top of the bottom. The one that digs in is tough to
>>release--it has no way to dig back out again. The one that sits on the
>>bottom always does its thing, and is perfectly adequate most of the
>>time. There is no release issue unless it gets snagged on something,
>>which almost never happens on the bottoms where I am likely to anchor.
>>
>>With 2 anchors on 1 line, either the anchor closest to the boat is doing
>>all the work, or the one closest to the boat has been lifted off the
>>bottom like a kellet, and the other one is doing all the work. In
>>either case, it's tough to "feel" what is going on from your end of the
>>anchor rode, and impossible to properly "set" both anchors.
>>
>>I'm going to play with multiple anchors on multiple lines this summer.
>>My sense is that it's overkill, and that one anchor, properly set, is
>>all you need almost all the time. However, for the peace of mind
>>allowing easy sleep, it might be nice to know that setting 2 anchors on
>>2 lines will always work.
>>
>>If putting out 1 anchor is a chore, I don't think you'll put out 2
>>anchors. But if putting out 1 anchor is literally child's play, then I
>>think you'll put out 2 anchors if you believe it will make a difference.
>>
>>The all-line rode simplifies anchoring, and that is why I will be trying
>>that this summer.
>>
>>Bill Effros
>>
>>
>>
>>Steve Alm wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Bill,
>>>
>>>Great topic. Have you ever tried using two anchors on one line? The
>>>primary anchor is at the end and a secondary, lighter one is where chain
>>>meets rode. I haven't tried it but supposedly, this allows you to use much
>>>less scope than 7:1, or helps hold the chain down in a bigger blow. I would
>>>also think it would help to reset the primary anchor should you swing around
>>>to another direction.
>>>
>>>Slim
>>>
>>>On 3/6/05 2:56 PM, "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Peter,
>>>>
>>>>I intended to spend a lot of time last summer working on anchoring, but
>>>>didn't spend enough time on my boat to do any of it.
>>>>
>>>>My boat is on a mooring--which is another way of saying it is
>>>>permanently on anchor. That anchor weighs 300 pounds, is mushroom
>>>>shaped, and was professionally set under the mud. Were you on the list
>>>>when I described rowing out to my boat and finding the stern 5 feet
>>>>above the water, 250 yards from where I last left it? No harm done to
>>>>my boat, but it let me know that even the biggest imaginable anchor
>>>>could drift under certain circumstances that sometimes happen.
>>>>
>>>>On the other hand, I rarely take my boat out of the water before
>>>>November 15 (yes the water is still reasonably warm enough at that time)
>>>>so my boat has been on anchor through many hurricanes without any
>>>>drifting or damage at all. I feel my boat is safer in the water pretty
>>>>much by itself, than lined up like dominoes on land with the rest of the
>>>>boats.
>>>>
>>>>In addition to the standard issue R-22 anchor (which is still as pretty
>>>>as the day it left Stan's plant because it has never been in the water)
>>>>I have an 11 lb. Fortress which I keep assembled under the port seat. A
>>>>7 lb. Fortress which I keep unassembled in the Lazarette. A 15 lb.
>>>>vinyl covered mushroom sometimes called "bullet" anchor, inverted in the
>>>>forward cowling opening above the anchor rode drawer, attached to 300
>>>>feet of line and 20 feet of chain with a snap fitting that can easily be
>>>>moved from one anchor to another. Additional line and chain under the
>>>>11 lb. Fortress in the cockpit. Additional line and chain in a bucket
>>>>in the lazarette. Polypropylene line and a small float attached to a
>>>>small vinyl covered grapnel anchor in a nylon case in the lazarette. A
>>>>1 1/2 lb.; 3 lb; and 5 lb folding grapnel anchor. A corkscrew type
>>>>"land anchor". Another 15 lb. vinyl anchor--can be used as a paper
>>>>weight, sentinel, or rail meat when sailing light handed. I know that's
>>>>more than 7--I probably have even more than that, but I can't keep track.
>>>>
>>>>The smallest anchor is sufficient much of the time. I generally stern
>>>>anchor because that's the easiest. If I start to drift I can see it,
>>>>and adjust, or not. Most of the time I would just as soon heave to,
>>>>which is a very comfortable way to eat lunch or loaf if you can maintain
>>>>a watch.
>>>>
>>>>I anchor from both the eyes and the cleats. There is no chafe issue
>>>>when eye-anchoring. I don't like anchor chocks.
>>>>
>>>>You can set anchors fore and aft to keep your boat from swinging or the
>>>>anchor from resetting. In Long Island Sound the tide is going to shift
>>>>180 degrees overnight.
>>>>
>>>>You can set anchors 180 degrees apart and attach both to the bow eye,
>>>>allowing your boat to swing with the tide, but not move from where you
>>>>left it. You can do the same thing on your stern cleats.
>>>>
>>>>You can set an anchor off shore, and then back the boat to an island so
>>>>that you can almost stand on land with the ladder down. Take the land
>>>>anchor auger and turn it into the beach sand. Attach the auger to a
>>>>line attached to the stern. Let the boat go back out to deeper water so
>>>>you won't be grounded when the tide goes out (we have a 9 foot tidal
>>>>variation) and can still pull the boat back in when you are ready to get
>>>>back on board. Variation--tie a line to a tree.
>>>>
>>>>Everyone says you should have 7:1 scope, but when they start anchoring,
>>>>there isn't enough room for everyone so they all start short scoping,
>>>>and you can't do anything different or you're going to smack into
>>>>someone. I like to sail late, so I come into anchorages late after all
>>>>the good spots are taken. I know how to anchor both deeper and
>>>>shallower than most people.
>>>>
>>>>Now I'll add kedging to my bag of tricks. Never thought I'd need it,
>>>>and of course, it's a lot less critical on a shoal draft boat, but there
>>>>it is.
>>>>
>>>>Let me know what you try, how it works, and any pointers. It's getting
>>>>harder and harder to find people who really know how to anchor--everyone
>>>>just wants to pick up a mooring. I'll let you know how I do.
>>>>
>>>>Bill Effros
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Peter Thorn wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Bill,
>>>>>
>>>>>That's interesting and thoughtful. Would you mind explaining in a little
>>>>>more detail what anchors you carry and specifically what each is used for?
>>>>>My knowledge of anchors ends pretty much at night hook and lunch hook.
>>>>>
>>>>>PT
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
>>>>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 2:02 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Kedging
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Brad,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That had something to do with my "water temperature" question of last
>>>>>>week. I have stopped sailing in water so cold that it can kill me if I
>>>>>>wind up in it. It's just not worth the risk. You can kedge with the
>>>>>>proper anchor and a life vest if you can get into and out of the water
>>>>>>without killing yourself. I gather from last week's replies that your
>>>>>>water is borderline for possibly killing you. Remember, that if you
>>>>>>start to suffer from hypothermia, you can die even if you can get back
>>>>>>to your boat and get warm dry clothes. Again, not worth the risk.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If you can get into the water without risk of dying, you secure the
>>>>>>kedging anchor to a life vest and swim it out. Then you set it, and
>>>>>>see if you can pull the boat toward the anchor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't think you were on the list when I mentioned that I am currently
>>>>>>carrying 7 anchors and trying to learn to use them. They are all
>>>>>>different types and sizes, all smaller than the standard issue R-22
>>>>>>anchor. Everyone sizes their anchor for a huge storm on a much larger
>>>>>>boat--just to be on the safe side. Then they never learn to set these
>>>>>>anchors, or don't regularly carry them because they are simply too big
>>>>>>to use on our little boats.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I have found that tiny anchors are more than sufficient for most
>>>>>>situations, and that they can be so small that a 10 year old can set and
>>>>>>retrieve them without hurting the boat. Used in combination, these
>>>>>>small anchors can match the holding power of much larger anchors. Set
>>>>>>in different locations, they can obviate the risk of drifting, or the
>>>>>>necessity for an anchor that can reliably reset.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Small kedging anchors can be thrown far enough to start the boat
>>>>>>heeling, and if you have more than one, they can be "walked" from one to
>>>>>>the next by throwing them further out as the boat heels more and more.
>>>>>>I've never tried this--I just read it. I do try different anchoring
>>>>>>techniques to try to learn about them when I'm not in trouble. It's
>>>>>>kind of fun, and I find it interesting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I saw the attached note recently and thought of you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Bill Effros
>>>>>>
>>>>>>brad haslett wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Bill,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>As we were passing the time whilst freezing our arses
>>>>>>>off Friday night, we dug through the ships library for
>>>>>>>ideas and that one was discussed. One problem; we
>>>>>>>didn't have the dink with us. I tried throwing the
>>>>>>>anchor over the side the next morning but couldn't get
>>>>>>>the distance required for the leverage needed. When
>>>>>>>my friend showed up we started with brute force and
>>>>>>>were "that close" several times. Knowing what I know
>>>>>>>now, I'll go for the kedging first thing, AND, I'm
>>>>>>>taking the dink with me on our Spring trip in a few
>>>>>>>weeks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Brad
>>>>>>>--- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Brad,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The technique is called "kedging" and can be
>>>>>>>>performed with a dinghy and
>>>>>>>>an anchor. It works better with an anchor built for
>>>>>>>>kedging because the
>>>>>>>>pull on the anchor line is in a direction that is
>>>>>>>>designed to release
>>>>>>>>most of the anchors we tend to carry.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Bill
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>brad haslett wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The wind on Friday was awesome! 15-20 mph with
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>gusts
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>to 30. I had the CoraShen indicating 9 knots when
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>max hull speed is supposed to be about 7.5. My
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>older
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>brother was on his first sail and was as excited as
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>little kid. We came up on a part of the river I'm
>>>>>>>>>pretty familiar with and decided to swing wide
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>rather
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>than tack because we were going fast and having too
>>>>>>>>>much fun. THEN, I made the shortest landing in my
>>>>>>>>>career. We went from 9 knots to 0 knots in about
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>10
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>feet. It wasn't a jolt, we just quit moving.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>About
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>two seconds later the depth alarm went off, real
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>good
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>timing. What we had after that was a sailing
>>>>>>>>>simulator. You could do anything you wanted with
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>sails, engine, etc. because the boat wasn't going
>>>>>>>>>anywhere. As the sun started down we lost the wind
>>>>>>>>>and the will to solve our prediciment. I made some
>>>>>>>>>calls on both the radio and cell-phone but couldn't
>>>>>>>>>raise anyone for help. So, we spent the night on
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>boat. It got down to the low 40's and I didn't
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>find
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>the blanket I knew was on the boat until the next
>>>>>>>>>morning. Anyway, I was able to get ahold of a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>friend
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>of mine that lives on the lake Saturday morning and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>he
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>showed up with his pontoon boat with a 115hp
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>engine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>We towed the bow, the stern, clockwise,
>>>>>>>>>counter-clockwise, but didn't move the boat. We
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>were
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>only 5 feet from deep water but couldn't get there.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Finally we tied the halyard to the side rail and
>>>>>>>>>started towing from the top of the mast. After the
>>>>>>>>>boat was heeled about 45 degrees it started
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>floating
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>and we drug it sideways to deeper water. Hopefully
>>>>>>>>>this will be my only grounding for the season but
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>if
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>it happens again, I'll pull that solution out of
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>trick-bag first. By 11 am Saturday we were free
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>sailed back to the dock. I was so tired from the
>>>>>>>>>experience I didn't feel like doing any work on the
>>>>>>>>>boat. Oh well, that's a good excuse to go back to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>lake later in the week.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Brad Haslett
>>>>>>>>>"CoraShen"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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