[Rhodes22-list] Re: Commitment to war

Wed May 25 23:54:15 EDT 2005

Watch the BBC channel.  Why should I have to pay for you to watch PBS?
Should I be allowed to stick you up to get cable or satellite?  That is what
you are doing to me to get PBS, though the government is your thug.

Philip

-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Saroj Gilbert
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 7:01 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Re: Commitment to war

So we can have a source of news that isn't massaged to meet the demands of
the corporate advertisers....
So we aren't bombarded by commercials...
So we can listen to the BBC...
So we can experience innovation that isn't dependent on commercially
dictated norms...

It is mostly subscriber-supported and grant supported anyhow... but you'll
notice more and more that it receives a lot of commercial support too so it
may not be able to maintain its independence.

Saroj

----- Original Message -----
From: "Philip Esteban" <3drecon at comcast.net>
To: "'stan'" <stan at rhodes22.com>; "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'"
<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 10:09 PM
Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Re: Commitment to war

> Why, with hundreds of channels available are we funding public radio and
> television, but we are told we need our taxes raised to meet other
> requirements?  The government needs to get out of the radio and tv
> business.
>
> Philip
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of stan
> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 6:43 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Re: Commitment to war
>
>
> yea - most got that info wrong.  the industry was in a terrible slump -
> the
> tax came later and had little effect because no one was buying anything
> before the tax
>
> still, it was just as smart a congressional move for saving the economy as
> was the contract with America's step to save the economy by defunding
> public
> radio and TV.
>
> ss
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Philip Esteban" <3drecon at comcast.net>
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 12:01 AM
> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Re: Commitment to war
>
>
>> It seems to me, not so long ago, a liberal congress passed a "luxury tax"
>> which hit the boat industry pretty hard.  Stan, can you refresh my
>> memory?
>>
>> Philip
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Steve
>> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 10:24 AM
>> To: stan; The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Re: Commitment to war
>>
>>
>> Stan
>> Maybe some people just Recognize the need to help
>> people out when they are being murbered, raped,
>> sprayed with chemical weapons, etc.
>>
>> I support the war & any war that helps make people
>> free.
>>
>> Based on the comment you made about me below, since
>> you are for the terrorists, why don't YOU just go over
>> there and fight with the terrorists:-)  See Stan,
>> comments like this are stupid, they make no sense.
>> When you are the big dog on the plantet; this country
>> has to help people that can't help themselves.  I know
>> liberals only think about themselves and thier welfare
>> programs; BUT there are more important things to spend
>> money on than lazy Americans who won't work for a
>> living.  Now if the liberals really wanted to do
>> someting for thier fellow man; then they would give up
>> all earthly possessions to the government:-) Are you
>> going to donate your business Stan????????????  Do it
>> for the children!!!!!!!!!!! :-)
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> --- stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
>>
>>> thanks for the rare sharing, Rummy.
>>>
>>> Still waiting for Steve and friends to back up their
>>> bravado with enlisting
>>> or Bush to let his daughters sign up.  Maybe war is
>>> exciting and glamorous
>>> for some who stay home and hire others - but if it
>>> really, really, really is
>>> the right thing to do, as several on the List seem
>>> to think, then it should
>>> also be the right thing to declare war, have a fair
>>> draft for those asked to
>>> serve and rationing for the fully committed home
>>> front.  I for one would
>>> never allow my kids to be taken for any half hearted
>>> venture where the
>>> politically correct back up is tax cutting and
>>> magnetic symbols.
>>>
>>> stan, WW11
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
>>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 4:15 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Re: Commitment to war
>>>
>>>
>>> > Herb and all,
>>> >
>>> > Neither the body count or the number in country
>>> had anything to do  with
>>> > our
>>> > commitment or lack thereof in Vietnam. When a
>>> soldier is being fired  upon
>>> > and
>>> > has to radio for permission to return fire, that's
>>> a lack of  commitment.
>>> > Remember, we didn't have cell phones in those days
>>> and military  radio's,
>>> > as good
>>> > as they were, often couldn't contact anyone. I was
>>> with an  armored unit
>>> > in I
>>> > Corps (DMZ area) from 1970 to 1971 and saw a lot
>>> of strange  stuff, but
>>> > having to ask for permission to return fire is the
>>> one thing that  really
>>> > burned my
>>> > butt. Sometimes we just didn't ask for permission
>>> and pleaded  no radio
>>> > contact when questioned after the fact. It was
>>> easier and saved our  butts
>>> > on many
>>> > an occasion.
>>> > The one thing that concerns me when these
>>> discussions come up on the list
>>> > is
>>> > that I doubt that many people on either side of
>>> the issue know what
>>> > happens
>>> > to the human body when it is hit with a fifty
>>> caliber round or a grenade.
>>> > Or,
>>> > when a RPG hits a tank and burns through the
>>> armament and blows up inside
>>> > the
>>> > tank turning those bodies into chipped beef. War
>>> isn't pretty people. Part
>>> > of my  duties while in Vietnam were to identify
>>> bodies at the morgue when
>>> > they
>>> > were  brought in from the field. I still have
>>> nightmares about my
>>> > experiences,
>>> > and  don't talk about them very often. The
>>> decision to go to war has to be
>>> > taken very  seriously. People talking about body
>>> counts like your counting
>>> > cord
>>> > wood makes  me sick. Take a walk through a
>>> veterans hospital sometime and
>>> > meet
>>> > some of the  walking dead. Your thoughts on war
>>> will change, I guarantee
>>> > it.
>>> > War isn't good  for any living thing.
>>> > Time to step off the soap box and mix a drink.
>>> Coke has a new Diet Coke
>>> > made
>>> > with Splenda. No more Nutrasweet poisoning. Yeah!
>>> >
>>> > Rummy
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