[Rhodes22-list] Re: Commitment to war

Philip Esteban 3drecon at comcast.net
Fri May 27 11:01:12 EDT 2005 

I also ride a motorcycle and would never ride without a helmut (having had a
couple of accidents with one on, it saved my melon), but I don't think it is
the governments job to tell us to wear one.  The military can get away with
that because they provide 100% health care for soldiers (and run their
lives).  Imagine the mandates if we ever get universal coverage.

Philip

-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of stan
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 7:50 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Re: Commitment to war


As Brad likes to say, "Politics makes bedfellows".  I left out the "strange"
since neither of us is that strange.  I was in a car accident where had I
worn my seat belt I would have been decapitated.  I always looked at driving
a car like it was a boat where when I am at the wheel, I am the law so I
resent government telling me to wear a belt.  But they gave me tickets
anyway until I got a letter from a shrink I had sold a Rhodes to.  (It works
sometimes.)

stan/gbi

----- Original Message -----
From: "Philip Esteban" <3drecon at comcast.net>
To: "'stan'" <stan at rhodes22.com>; "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'"
<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 10:57 PM
Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Re: Commitment to war


>I agree with you Stan.  The government should get out of the subsidy
> business.  I don't like paying for government ads by the ad council or the
> latest by the transportation department either.  It is wonderful that the
> police have been so successful in stopping crime, they can now focus on
> people in their own cars wearing seatbelts (or not).
>
> Philip
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of stan
> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 7:54 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Re: Commitment to war
>
>
> and you might add discrimination:
>
> why just single out public supported media for that view without adding:
>
> gov. support for farmers, commercial corporations, faith based
> organizations, and endless other gov. propped initiatives, i.e. recently
> didn't we read something about this administration giving tax dollars to
> media personalities to promote the president's particular political take
> on
> legislative programs.
>
> stan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Saroj Gilbert" <saroj at pathfind.net>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 7:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Re: Commitment to war
>
>
>> So we can have a source of news that isn't massaged to meet the demands
>> of
>> the corporate advertisers....
>> So we aren't bombarded by commercials...
>> So we can listen to the BBC...
>> So we can experience innovation that isn't dependent on commercially
>> dictated norms...
>>
>> It is mostly subscriber-supported and grant supported anyhow... but
>> you'll
>> notice more and more that it receives a lot of commercial support too so
>> it may not be able to maintain its independence.
>>
>> Saroj
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Philip Esteban" <3drecon at comcast.net>
>> To: "'stan'" <stan at rhodes22.com>; "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'"
>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 10:09 PM
>> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Re: Commitment to war
>>
>>
>>> Why, with hundreds of channels available are we funding public radio and
>>> television, but we are told we need our taxes raised to meet other
>>> requirements?  The government needs to get out of the radio and tv
>>> business.
>>>
>>> Philip
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of stan
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 6:43 AM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Re: Commitment to war
>>>
>>>
>>> yea - most got that info wrong.  the industry was in a terrible slump -
>>> the
>>> tax came later and had little effect because no one was buying anything
>>> before the tax
>>>
>>> still, it was just as smart a congressional move for saving the economy
>>> as
>>> was the contract with America's step to save the economy by defunding
>>> public
>>> radio and TV.
>>>
>>> ss
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Philip Esteban" <3drecon at comcast.net>
>>> To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 12:01 AM
>>> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Re: Commitment to war
>>>
>>>
>>>> It seems to me, not so long ago, a liberal congress passed a "luxury
>>>> tax"
>>>> which hit the boat industry pretty hard.  Stan, can you refresh my
>>>> memory?
>>>>
>>>> Philip
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Steve
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 10:24 AM
>>>> To: stan; The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Re: Commitment to war
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Stan
>>>> Maybe some people just Recognize the need to help
>>>> people out when they are being murbered, raped,
>>>> sprayed with chemical weapons, etc.
>>>>
>>>> I support the war & any war that helps make people
>>>> free.
>>>>
>>>> Based on the comment you made about me below, since
>>>> you are for the terrorists, why don't YOU just go over
>>>> there and fight with the terrorists:-)  See Stan,
>>>> comments like this are stupid, they make no sense.
>>>> When you are the big dog on the plantet; this country
>>>> has to help people that can't help themselves.  I know
>>>> liberals only think about themselves and thier welfare
>>>> programs; BUT there are more important things to spend
>>>> money on than lazy Americans who won't work for a
>>>> living.  Now if the liberals really wanted to do
>>>> someting for thier fellow man; then they would give up
>>>> all earthly possessions to the government:-) Are you
>>>> going to donate your business Stan????????????  Do it
>>>> for the children!!!!!!!!!!! :-)
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> thanks for the rare sharing, Rummy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Still waiting for Steve and friends to back up their
>>>>> bravado with enlisting
>>>>> or Bush to let his daughters sign up.  Maybe war is
>>>>> exciting and glamorous
>>>>> for some who stay home and hire others - but if it
>>>>> really, really, really is
>>>>> the right thing to do, as several on the List seem
>>>>> to think, then it should
>>>>> also be the right thing to declare war, have a fair
>>>>> draft for those asked to
>>>>> serve and rationing for the fully committed home
>>>>> front.  I for one would
>>>>> never allow my kids to be taken for any half hearted
>>>>> venture where the
>>>>> politically correct back up is tax cutting and
>>>>> magnetic symbols.
>>>>>
>>>>> stan, WW11
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
>>>>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 4:15 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Re: Commitment to war
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > Herb and all,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Neither the body count or the number in country
>>>>> had anything to do  with
>>>>> > our
>>>>> > commitment or lack thereof in Vietnam. When a
>>>>> soldier is being fired  upon
>>>>> > and
>>>>> > has to radio for permission to return fire, that's
>>>>> a lack of  commitment.
>>>>> > Remember, we didn't have cell phones in those days
>>>>> and military  radio's,
>>>>> > as good
>>>>> > as they were, often couldn't contact anyone. I was
>>>>> with an  armored unit
>>>>> > in I
>>>>> > Corps (DMZ area) from 1970 to 1971 and saw a lot
>>>>> of strange  stuff, but
>>>>> > having to ask for permission to return fire is the
>>>>> one thing that  really
>>>>> > burned my
>>>>> > butt. Sometimes we just didn't ask for permission
>>>>> and pleaded  no radio
>>>>> > contact when questioned after the fact. It was
>>>>> easier and saved our  butts
>>>>> > on many
>>>>> > an occasion.
>>>>> > The one thing that concerns me when these
>>>>> discussions come up on the list
>>>>> > is
>>>>> > that I doubt that many people on either side of
>>>>> the issue know what
>>>>> > happens
>>>>> > to the human body when it is hit with a fifty
>>>>> caliber round or a grenade.
>>>>> > Or,
>>>>> > when a RPG hits a tank and burns through the
>>>>> armament and blows up inside
>>>>> > the
>>>>> > tank turning those bodies into chipped beef. War
>>>>> isn't pretty people. Part
>>>>> > of my  duties while in Vietnam were to identify
>>>>> bodies at the morgue when
>>>>> > they
>>>>> > were  brought in from the field. I still have
>>>>> nightmares about my
>>>>> > experiences,
>>>>> > and  don't talk about them very often. The
>>>>> decision to go to war has to be
>>>>> > taken very  seriously. People talking about body
>>>>> counts like your counting
>>>>> > cord
>>>>> > wood makes  me sick. Take a walk through a
>>>>> veterans hospital sometime and
>>>>> > meet
>>>>> > some of the  walking dead. Your thoughts on war
>>>>> will change, I guarantee
>>>>> > it.
>>>>> > War isn't good  for any living thing.
>>>>> > Time to step off the soap box and mix a drink.
>>>>> Coke has a new Diet Coke
>>>>> > made
>>>>> > with Splenda. No more Nutrasweet poisoning. Yeah!
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Rummy
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