[Rhodes22-list] RE: Fig Newton

[felix fig]

why do you have to be a dick about things. and don't
tell me "because i can"

--- Philip Esteban <3drecon at comcast.net> wrote:

> No.  As a matter of fact we are trying to get you
> where you receive each
> e-mail twice.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf
> Of felix fig
> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 11:20 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list]Public Schools, was
> Public Radio and TV
> 
> 
> can u take me off your e-nail list.
> thank you
> 
> --- Philip Esteban <3drecon at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> > I am not wealthy by any stretch, but I send my son
> > to private school (which
> > means I probably have to postpone purchasing a
> > boat).  My older boy went
> > through the abysmal public school system  and I
> > regret the decision to this
> > day (and yes, I have taught in the public schools
> > system and so has my
> > wife).  The public schools have become a
> politically
> > correct liberal forum
> > for issuing condoms, undermining parental
> authority
> > and values and have
> > drifted away from teaching the fundimentals.  Most
> > of this can be laid at
> > the feet of the liberals (usually Democrats) who
> are
> > in bed with the
> > teacher's unions.  A union's charter is, by its
> > nature, to protect the job
> > of its members.  The teacher's unions are no
> > different and they get a pass
> > for illegal political activities as well (by the
> > way, I am also a union
> > member since 1976, though not the teacher's
> union).
> >
> > More liberal claptrap is the canard that more
> money
> > means better education.
> > Washington DC spends in excess of 15k per student
> > and has a 50% drop out
> > rate.  The public school system is failing.  When
> I
> > went to school in the
> > 60s we routinely had 30+ children per class and we
> > received a fairly good
> > education.  That was before the curriculi
> > degenerated.
> >
> > Some examples:  Punishing a child for pointing a
> > french fry and saying bang;
> > allowing a child to be assaulted daily (even
> though
> > he complains to several
> > teachers) but kicking the assaulted child out of
> > school for writing Kill
> > "[Name]" with no sanction to the aggressor; not
> > allowing pictures of the
> > Minute Men because they carry guns; the recent
> issue
> > of a principal not
> > allowing the picture of a recent graduate in the
> > school (the assignment was
> > to bring a picture of a graduate of the school in
> > his job or school) because
> > that student is a US Marine in Iraq and was
> carrying
> > a weapon; the schools
> > in our area stopped having award ceremonies for
> kids
> > who did extremely well
> > because it "isn't fair to those who don't get
> > awards" or it "hurts the
> > self-esteem". . .
> >
> > This doesn't begin to scratch the surface.
> >
> > As for fund cutting, that is ridiculous.  Cutting
> > the amount of increase is
> > not "cutting" funds.  When the federal government
> > (under the liberal Clinton
> > Administration) can require Medicaid to fund
> Viagra
> > (in general, not just to
> > sex offenders as recently covered in the news)
> then
> > they don't need more
> > funds for other things.  You can argue life saving
> > medications for people
> > unable to afford it, but why should we pay for
> > someone to have sex?  Then
> > they come after us for more taxes for schools and
> > the like.  Then the
> > schools don't teach the fundimentals.  Once upon a
> > time a person leaving
> > highschool learned to be a good citizen.  College
> > opened their horizons to
> > the deeper meanings of our history, liturature,
> math
> > and science, but first
> > the basics.  Not anymore.  Now they get condoms;
> > Billy has two daddys; they
> > learn about the "Nine" amendments to the
> > Constitution (leave out the Second
> > Amendment); they can have "holiday celebrations"
> and
> > can study every
> > religious holiday activity except Christian
> holidays
> > etc.
> >
> > There may still be a few good public schools in
> this
> > country, but they are
> > far and few between.  An indicator is the
> teacher's
> > unions opposition to
> > standards.  They don't want to be held accountable
> > and it shows.
> >
> > There is more and you are deluding yourself if you
> > ignore them.  I know
> > teaching is a tough job and unfunded mandates eat
> > into budgets, but the
> > schools began a downward slide years ago when the
> > administators began to
> > outnumber the teachers.  Recently in Virginia, the
> > legislature succumed to
> > pressure from the teacher's unions to leave the
> > "guidance counsellors" in
> > place in the elementary schools instead of
> > converting most of those
> > positions to reading teachers (reading scores were
> > falling and we are
> > producing a generation of illiterate people).  Why
> > do we need guidance
> > counsellors in elementary school?
> >
> > Philip
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On
> Behalf
> > Of Slim
> > Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 5:41 AM
> > To: Rhodes
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]Public Schools, was
> > Public Radio and TV
> >
> >
> > Philip,
> >
> > Why are you against public schools?  I admit,
> there
> > are many problems,
> > mostly caused by union-bashing, fund-cutting
> > republicans; but the public
> > schools are our best resource, period.  Shouldn't
> we
> > be giving our youth the
> > best that we can?  Private schools cost money that
> > most do not need to pay.
> > The public system is as good as the funding. 
> Offer
> > a decent wage and you
> > attract decent teachers.  Where I live, Minnesota,
> > the average life-span of
> > a new teacher is three years before they find
> better
> > pay/conditions
> > elsewhere.  It's abysmal.  It's a very tough job. 
> I
> > know - been there, done
> > that.  Have you?
> >
> > It's easy to sit back and complain, but consider
> > this:  The law requires
> > specifically mandated curriculum but doesn't fund
> > it, and so private schools
> > have to send students to the public schools for
> > whatever they can't provide,
> > e.g., special ed, phy ed, science, or whatever. 
> And
> > then the public schools
> > have to take these students, for which they are
> NOT
> 
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