[Rhodes22-list] Re: Voluntary Service

[Cheryl O'Grady]

Okay, how do we get it going?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Saroj Gilbert" <saroj at pathfind.net>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Re: Voluntary Service
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 20:09:09 -0500

> 
> Dan, I couldn't agree more!
> 
> Saroj
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Bodnar" <dsbodnar at earthlink.net>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 3:21 PM
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Re: Voluntary Service
> 
> 
> I'd like to chime in on this one.  I have thought about this in the 
> past and think that two or even one year of public service 
> performed right after highs school would be a great idea.  It would 
> help mature some kids, showing them a different perspective to 
> life.  It may motivate sum, based on selection criteria established 
> for the different agencies getting service help.  I believe I once 
> read or heard that although Israel conscripts every kid, not all 
> actually perform military duties.  We certainly have a enough 
> programs in the USA that could benefit from conscripted labor. The 
> National Parks, and Forests, tutoring programs.  low income housing 
> projects, FEMA etc. etc.  I also think that the military could 
> benefit as well.  They are already paying incentives for their 
> "volunteer" army, and if every kid had to do something and the 
> military threw in a bonus, it might be attractive to an even larger 
> group of kids.  I too think that after it got started, no one would 
> think twice about it.  It would be your civic duty ; a step toward 
> your independence.  It would probably also improve the performance 
> of a lot of kids when they got to college.  Two years of hard work 
> will give them some real focus on college and career.
> 
> Dan Bodnar,
> SV Quality of Life
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cheryl O'Grady <cheryl.ogrady at mail.com>
> Sent: Nov 11, 2005 10:39 AM
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> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] P - Marines
> 
> I haven't thought deeply about the actual workings of this, but 
> couldn't we combine a national service with the volunteer army?  
> After all, noone would have to choose the military, they could 
> choose other forms of civil service. And those who stayed in after 
> their year of service, that would be voluntary.  I lived in Germany 
> for a little while, and heard about my neighbors' sons who had to 
> do a year of service between high school and university.  Nobody 
> thought twice about it, it was just what you owed your country.  
> What happened to the American value of service to the nation?
> 
> >   The potential for abuse of power under such insulation is
> > something that we all need to consider.
> 
> this administration scares the poo out of me, for just such a reason.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "D&D Stice" <dstice at sisna.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] P - Marines
> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:31:08 -0700
> 
> >
> > The current pentagon and political administration by its own words does not
> > want a draft or mandatory army.  They are much happier with a professional,
> > dedicated army that is more capable but also more insulated from the
> > citizenry.  The potential for abuse of power under such insulation is
> > something that we all need to consider.
> >
> > David Stice
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Cheryl O'Grady" <cheryl.ogrady at mail.com>
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 2:30 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] P - Marines
> >
> >
> > My dad is a Marine, fought in Korea, darn near died, but he made it home.
> >
> > In my humble opinion, it would benefit every young man and young woman
> > graduating from high school to have to do a year's service, whether it be
> > military or civil service, it would change their outlook on life and perhaps
> > even give them a direction to their lives that wasn't there before.  It
> > wouldn't be a draft, rather a year of service to the country.  For the ones
> > who go into military service, it would help them grow up as in the anecdote
> > below.
> >
> > Not only that, if the sons and daughters of our congressmen and our
> > president and our secretary of defense might have to actually go to war and
> > be shot at, maybe they would think 3 or 4 times before sending our troops
> > into an ill-conceived, poorly executed, and ill-equipped war.
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > For all of those that have son's or daughter's at
> > > bootcamp let me pass on what I found. Let me give you
> > > a little back ground first. When my son left home he
> > > had no motivation, he was lazy, slobby, no pride, no
> > > self worth. This is the boy that got off the bus March
> > > 18th at Parris Island. The man that I met on Thursday
> > > for parents day is AWESOME. There is no way I can
> > > describe to you all the difference. He looks
> > > different, he walks different, he talks different, he
> > > has such a sense of bearing and pride all I could do
> > > was look at him in awe. Oh yes, the training is hard,
> > > what he went through is unimaginable to any one that
> > > has not been there. They are definitely taught to be
> > > Warriors. Let me tell you the surprise of what else
> > > they are taught. My Marine son has better values,
> > > better morals, better manners than any one I know. It
> > > is so much more than Yes Sir, Yes Mam...so much more.
> > > He cares about how he looks, he cares about what he
> > > does, and its not a boastful, bad ass thing. He is a
> > > true gentleman. I saw patience, and a calmness in him
> > > that I have never seen. I could never express my
> > > gratitude enough to the Marine Corps for what they
> > > have given my son. I know this, I have an 11 year old
> > > Devil pup still at home. When the time comes for his
> > > turn if I had to I would take him kicking and
> > > screaming all the way. Although I'm sure that will not
> > > happen. The hero worship I see in my younger sons eyes
> > > for his Marine brother tells me I will have two
> > > Marines in the family, and I will be one very proud
> > > mother.
> > > "Cybil", Mother of a Marine writing to the myMarine
> > > Group
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
> > Edmund Burke, Irish philosopher
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