[Rhodes22-list] (political) response to Bob Skinner's post

[Herb Parsons]

Is it your asertion that those that served in the National Guard instead of 
vietnam were ALL "draft dodgers"?  Is it further your assertion that 
thosethat ttok advantage of exisisting deferrments were "draft dodgers"? 
finally, do you consider Bill Clinton a "draft dodger"?
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On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 12:11:28 -0600 "Cheryl O'Grady" 
<cheryl.ogrady at mail.com> wrote:
>Bob,
>I found your post very interesting, particularly the conclusion that we 
need more troops to close the borders.
>
>Believe it or not, because I never supported the invasion of Iraq, I think 
we need to send more troops in to get the job finished so we can get out 
and go home.  See, once they decided to do it, they should have done it 
right.  My heart goes out to the troops who feel we don't support them.  I 
do, and so do most who are against the war.  I don't advocate an immediate 
pullout, that would be wrong, for all the guys who died or were maimed 
during service there, and also for the civilians who would be left in the 
middle of a vicious civil war.  We broke it, we need to fix it.  We just 
had no business going in in the first place.
>
>How do you suggest that people who are against the war should express 
their dissent and dissatisfaction in such a way as to honor the people 
doing the fighting while dumping porta-potti contents on the draft-dodgers 
who got us in there in the first place?  Oh, sorry, those were deferments, 
weren't they, and daddy-connected reserve jobs....not draft-dodging.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Robert Skinner" <robert at squirrelhaven.com>
>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] stirring the hornet's nest.... (political) 
	-JohnMurtha chimes in
>Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:09:14 -0500
>
>> 
>> Mike -
>> 
>> What do you think of this?  It showed up in my inbox, unsolicited,
>> but may be valid.  I trust no source any more, except friends who
>> are coming back, and each of them has a necessarily limited view
>> of the conflict/situation.
>> 
>> How does it square with what you are hearing?
>> 
>> Do you have an opinion about whether we should pull out?
>> Or should we send in enuf troops to seal borders?
>> Do we have enuf force to seal borders?
>> 
>> /Bob
>> 
>> > The following is a report from a grunt in Iraq and is something that 
will
>> > almost never be shown on the left leaning news networks.
>> >
>> > Subject: Report From Down Range
>> >
>> > This was sent to me a West Coast USAR CW3 who got it from a Semper Fi, 
UAL
>> > retired, east coast type.
>> >
>> > Hello to all my fellow gunners, military buffs, veterans and interested
>> > guys. A couple of weekends ago I got to spend time with my son Jordan, 
who
>> > was on his first leave since returning from Iraq. He is well (a little
>> > thin), and already bored. He will be returning to Iraq for a second 
tour in
>> > early 06 and has already re-enlisted early for 4 more years. He loves 
the
>> > Marine Corps and is actually looking forward to returning to Iraq.
>> >
>> > Jordan spent 7 months at Camp Blue Diamond in Ramadi. Aka: Fort 
Apache. He
>> > saw and did a lot and the following is what he told me about weapons,
>> > equipment, tactics and other miscellaneous info which may be of 
interest to
>> > you.
>> >
>> > Nothing is by any means classified. No politics here, just a Marine 
with a
>> > birds eye views opinions:
>> >
>> > 1) The M-16 rifle : Thumbs down. Chronic jamming problems with the 
talcum
>> > powder like sand over there. The sand is everywhere. Jordan says you 
feel
>> > filthy 2 minutes after coming out of the shower. The M-4 carbine 
version is
>> > more popular because its lighter and shorter, but it has jamming 
problems
>> > also. They like the ability to mount the various optical gunsights and
>> > weapons lights on the picattiny rails, but the weapon itself is not 
great in
>> > a desert environment.
>> >
>> > They all hate the 5.56mm (.223) round. Poor penetration on the 
cinderblock
>> > structure common over there and even torso hits cant be reliably 
counted on
>> > to put the enemy down. Fun fact: Random autopsies on dead insurgents 
shows a
>> > high level of opiate use.
>> >
>> > 2) The M243 SAW (squad assault weapon): .223 cal. Drum fed light 
machine
>> > gun. Big thumbs down. Universally considered a piece of shit. Chronic
>> > jamming problems, most of w