[Rhodes22-list] Reply to Nicholas Kuzniarski
Bradley, David
david.bradley at sap.com
Mon Nov 28 08:15:23 EST 2005
Hello again, Nick.
There is a little-known public ramp on the Saugatuck River in Westport,
just below the draw bridge. No town sticker required as far as I know.
An option for trailering.
The last two people I know who tried to get slips mid-season were able
to do so in Stamford -- I'd try the Yellow Pages and work from there.
In Greenwich, you can try Beacon Point Marina and Palmer Point Marina.
Both are above the draw bridge but it's a pretty active bridge. Neither
are cheap.
David Bradley
-----Original Message-----
From: kuzzal at comcast.net [mailto:kuzzal at comcast.net]
Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 2:45 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list; The Rhodes 22 mail list
Cc: Bill Effros
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reply to Nicholas Kuzniarski
Bill
Thanks for the insight on marinas. The Norwalk one you mentioned, which
one is it as I believe there are several. I don't mind dry sailing.
Regards Nick Kuzniarski
-------------- Original message --------------
> Nick,
>
> I'm also one of the Greenwich Guys. The local private marina are
> getting bought up for other purposes, and the remaining marinas are
> jacking up their prices, causing a lot of people to get rid of their
> boats. There's a lot of shaking out going on around here.
>
> Norwalk has a very nice ramp and dock for dry sailing. You can set up
a
> Rhodes in about 20 minutes once you get good at it. 30 minutes to take
> it down in such a way that you can set it up again in 20 minutes.
>
> Andrew,
>
> Bruce Greenwald's R-22 is on stands in the middle row on the blacktop.
> Mine is on Bruce's trailer on the water side of the dirt lot. There is
> a third R-22 on a trailer, but I'm not sure where it is right now. It
> usually winters over on the lot.
>
> Bill Effros
>
> andrew collins wrote:
>
> >Nick-
> >
> >We are lucky to have access to a municipal marina here in Greenwich,
which
> >is very inexpensive but only available to residents. The moorings
that are
> >available are shoal draft only, so the Rhodes 22 is a good choice.
Shallow
> >draft moorings are much easier to come by than deeper ones for keel
boats.
> >The haul out costs for keelboats are $20+ per foot, another
pro-Rhodes
> >consideration.
> >
> >There are many local private marinas, but I have not checked
availability or
> >cost.
> >
> >Good luck
> >
> >Andrew
> >
> >On 11/23/05, kuzzal at comcast.net wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Hello Dave & Andrew
> >>
> >>Looks like there will be the 3 of us with Rhodes22's in the area as
I have
> >>a new one on order, also for next spring.
> >>
> >>Any ideas on marinas in the area with slips available or "dry
sailing"? I
> >>need to try & find one possibly from Greenwich up to Bridgeport.
> >>
> >>Regards Nick Kuzniarski
> >>
> >>-------------- Original message --------------
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>newbie ponders the swell head
> >>>
> >>>Hello Dave,
> >>>
> >>>I live in downtown Greenwich and have ordered a recycled Rhodes,
also
> >>>
> >>>
> >>for
> >>
> >>
> >>>this spring. I had walked the storage area at Greenwich Point
looking
> >>>
> >>>
> >>for
> >>
> >>
> >>>one, and haven't seen the one on stands, but I'll go look for it
this
> >>>weekend. The whole family wants to see one! Thanks for the pointer.
> >>>
> >>>Having just joined the list, it was serendipity to follow the whole
> >>>
> >>>
> >>marine
> >>
> >>
> >>>head/porta potty thread. My big question is what to get, if anyone
wants
> >>>
> >>>
> >>to
> >>
> >>
> >>>chime in. Our sailing will be day sailing on the Sound, with some
> >>>
> >>>
> >>overnight
> >>
> >>
> >>>stays not too far away. As the boat will be moored, the porta potty
> >>>
> >>>
> >>seems
> >>
> >>
> >>>like alot of work: in the dinghy, out of the dinghy, don't spill
...
> >>>
> >>>Can the marine head with holding tank be relied on not to smell,
will
> >>>
> >>>
> >>the
> >>
> >>
> >>>pump need to be rebuilt frequently? As far as I can tell Bill
Effros's
> >>>solution is the one to adopt. His exploding porta potty story was
so
> >>>
> >>>
> >>graphic
> >>
> >>
> >>>and convincing, I think I would take a day off from work to have
the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>tank
> >>
> >>
> >>>pumped and to clean it to avoid dealing with explosive situations.
What
> >>>would be worse is if my wife had to deal with one. Then, with 8
year-old
> >>>triplets on board, frequently in a great hurry to find relief, the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>downside
> >>
> >>
> >>>is getting really deep.
> >>>
> >>>Has anyone had any experience with an on-board composting toilets (
> >>>www.airhead.com)?
> >>>
> >>>regards
> >>>
> >>>Andrew Collins
> >>>
> >>>On 11/23/05, Bradley, David wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Hello, Nick. I live in Old Greenwich, right off I-95 Exit 5, about
30
> >>>>minutes from you. I have ordered a new Rhodes for delivery in the
> >>>>spring. If you want to drive down, there are three R22s in
Greenwich
> >>>>Cove, one of which is on stands in the parking lot for the winter.
If
> >>>>you don't hear from one of the owners, I'll be happy to meet you
and
> >>>>talk to you about our reasons for buying.
> >>>>
> >>>>Regards,
> >>>>
> >>>>Dave Bradley
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>From: ed kroposki [mailto: ekroposki at charter.net]
> >>>>Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 7:10 PM
> >>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >>>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Reply to Nicholas Kuzniarski
> >>>>
> >>>>Nick,
> >>>>Ahoy and congratulations on finding the Rhodes 22 list. The
> >>>>first
> >>>>message left us slightly at a loss for information to accurately
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>answer
> >>
> >>
> >>>>your
> >>>>inquiry. Your second message helped.
> >>>>Unlike Mr. Rummy, I have been to Ridgefield CT, several times.
> >>>>Do
> >>>>you plan to sail in the Hudson River or Long Island Sound? The
Rhodes
> >>>>22
> >>>>was designed in the mid 1960's by Philip Rhodes whose office at
that
> >>>>time
> >>>>was in NYC. The intended market was Long Island Sound. See:
> >>>>http://astro.temple.edu/~bstavis/pr/rhodes.htm
> >>>>As for comparison with the Precision 23, there are comments
> >>>>available somewhere in the archives; I will leave the finding to
you.
> >>>>There
> >>>>is also a web site maintained by a former Rhodes 22 owner which
has a
> >>>>FAQ
> >>>>page, and there are comparisons offered there. See:
> >>>>http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html
> >>>>Before I got my recycled R22, I was offered a very good deal on
> >>>>a
> >>>>Precision 21. Then I saw Rummy's R22 and that was it. I have been
on a
> >>>>Precision 23. All new boats are pretty. The difference between the
> >>>>boats
> >>>>is construction, features, layout and safety. I would say that the
> >>>>precision is slightly faster if both boats were skippered by equal
> >>>>captains.
> >>>>However, a standard rigged R22 set up for racing with an
experienced
> >>>>captain
> >>>>just might be able to beat a P23.
> >>>>The catch is that most, let us say probably 90% of R22 are not
> >>>>set
> >>>>up for racing. Most of us use the IMF sail. Its uniqueness and
ease of
> >>>>use
> >>>>puts the R22 in a class by itself. It is like trying to compare
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>orchids
> >>
> >>
> >>>>with dandelions.
> >>>>In order to get the most out of this list, you need to answer
> >>>>Rummy's questions and provide us with more detailed information. I
> >>>>noticed
> >>>>that you are computer literate by your changing the subject line.
> >>>>Unfortunately, not all members of this list make the effort to do
so.
> >>>>
> >>>>Ed K
> >>>>Greenville, SC, USA
> >>>>~~~~~_/) ~~~~~
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>Andrew
> >>>__________________________________________________
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> >>>
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> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >--
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> >
> >
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To all,
This was my third email to the group ... as soon as I sent it, I
realized I didn't sign it. I considered sending an immediate apology,
but thought that the extra email would be more annoying than helpful. I
guess I was wrong.
Anyway, thank you for the advice concerning outboard motors. It is very
helpful.
-Mark Putnam
P.S. I didn't realize I was already giving the appearance of sitting on
the commode after only two emails ... I am only trying to make decisions
based upon sound advice from people a lot more knowledgable than I.
Otherwise, my Ben Franklin sheet of paper would be blank.
-----Original Message-----
From: ed kroposki <ekroposki at charter.net>
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 08:32:25 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Putnam & Used Motors
Mr. Putnam (?)
Since you do not sign your emails and are new to the list, consider
list curtsey and sign your emails so we know who to reply to.
Used boat motors versus new motors. First, remember that a new
motor will be a used motor in a year or two.
The real answer depends on your budget, mechanical aptitude and
willingness to maintain a boat motor. Also, unspoken by four stroke
advocates is that four stroke motors can be more temperamental in
starting
as they age.
If you can afford it, a new motor offers less problems, be it two or
four stroke. As motors age, they need maintenance, just like cars.
If you have time and aptitude, a used motor from Stan can be a
bargain. If Stan has a used motor, it probably came from a boat for
recycle. That means it probably was used less than a stinkpot boat's
motor.
A good cleaning and tune up and you have a good motor. Here, age would
be a
big factor. A sailboat motor less than ten years old after a good tune
up
should last another ten years.
I got a 16 year old motor with my recycle from Stan. Elton started
it at the plant. For a used boat initially it was a good package.
However,
it was not a first crank start motor. I had complaints from guest, what
would I do in an emergency. So, I got a new motor and just about gave
the
used motor away. It was still a usable motor, just finicky starting. I
have gotten out of practice fixing motors, and there are guys good at
it.
So, you have to evaluate your plans. Can you spend for a new motor?
Do you know how to fix and adjust boat motors? If not, do you know of a
good boat motor mechanic? As a practical matter, I know of a good one
in
Easley, SC, and one in Anderson, SC.
In the final analysis, you have to get off the commode and make the
decision.
Ed K
Greenville, SC, USA
Addendum: The Ben Franklin method of decision making is get a sheet of
paper
and list all the variables, then make columns for new and used. Place a
plus or minus in the columns for each possibility and total the score.
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