[Rhodes22-list] Tiller Auto Pilot Question(s)

Tue Nov 29 21:52:12 EST 2005

Is there any reasonable advantage to the ST2000?
Art

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From: "William E. Wickman" <wewickman at duke-energy.com>
Sent: Nov 28, 2005 8:21 AM
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Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Auto Pilot Question(s)

Rick,
Your experience seems to reflect the opinion of everyone I have talked to
regarding the ST1000.  My wife still doesn't understand the usefulness of
an auto-tiller and I am reluctant to tell her that as little as she does on
the boat, I need the extra hand.  I have a feeling that would generate a
negative reaction.  Just a guess.

Bill W.

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Bill,

I've used the ST1000 with remote for about 7 years.

For single handing or long trips, I wouldn't be without it.  I can stear
and tack from anywhere in the boat, from the tip of the bow back.  When my
wife was recently invited to steer a wheel driven helm, she declined
because there were no buttons to push.

This spring, one of the rubber drive belts failed and I sent it in for
repair/reconditioning.  For $200, it tacks even better than before.  It
now swings the boat through 100 deg to give better acceleration.  Then
after about 30 seconds, heads back up 10 deg.

Rick

On Wed, November 23, 2005 12:30 pm, William E. Wickman said:
>
> Thanks for the input Herb and Bob.  Now, if I can just find one that
comes
> with the remote....  Unfortunately, it looks like Raymarine discontinued
> offering the free wired remote and replaced it with a high dollar
wireless
> remote.  Granted the wireless can interface with other SeaTalk items, but
> at $350 it costs almost as much as the tillerpilot!  Don't you just love
> corporate greed?
>
> Bill W.
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> If I may, even though not a Rhodes owner, I'll add a couple of things.
>
> First of all, the "little receptacle cup" is not only epoxied into place,
> but if the thickness of the fiberglass is less than the depth of the cup,
> it should first be backed with a block of wood (or fiberglass, or
> something). In other words, the cup should be inserted into a solid base.
> On my O'Day 25, I put some epoxy on it, and ran a wood screw through the
> fiberglass and wood until it dried. Then I drilled the hole for the cup.
>
> Next, I'll say this is good for a LOT more than just single-handing. My
> wife thought I was being extravagant when I bought ours. However, a few
> evenings of us sitting on the bow of the boat, while it "sailed itself"
> convinced her it was one of the better purchases for the boat. It also
> gets
> her on the boat more frequently, and ANYTHING that gets her on the boat
> more often is a great deal!
>
> Herb Parsons
>
> S/V O'Jure
>   1976 O'Day 25
>   Lake Grapevine, N TX
>
> S/V Reve de Papa
>   1971 Coronado 35
>   Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast
>
>>>> r22yankeeclipper at hotmail.com 11/22/2005 8:12:31 PM >>>
> Bill,
> I'm not going to tell you about my unit, but will be glad to talk about
my
> autopilot...I went with the ST2000, but not for any specific reason other
> than I read that it might be more reliable (I think in epinions.com) and
I
> figured that more power could not hurt.  Will the ST1000 work?  Most
> likely
>
> it would be fine.  The R-22 helm is very light, even in heavy wind.
>
> As for installation, I had it at Big Water Marina for several months with
> no
> progress before finding someone close to Atlanta (Lake Lanier) who had
> experience installing all kinds of autopilots on all kinds of boats.  He
> installed it quickly and perfectly and it is like most things: simple
when
> you know what you're doing.  The installation is like this (in
> non-technical
> terms):
> 1. the pushrod hooks below the tiller with an offset bracket attached to
> the
> tiller. I don't know the size of the offset-but it isn't more than two
> inches.  There are three pushrod extensions, but I don't exactly know
> their
>
> lengths.  I believe they are 4 or 5 inches, 2 inches and then a 1 inch
> extension that I do not need and keep as an extra.
> 2. The unit installs on the top of the coaming - the little receptacle
cup
> is sunk into the coaming flush with the surface and epoxied in place.
> This
>
> installation is simple (since it does not require any additional
brackets)
> and also allows my stern swivel captains seat to swing freely over it.
> 3. The unit is perfectly level installed this way and I understand that
> this
> is part of a good installation although I've been told it will work fine
> even if it's not level.
> 4. The electrical connection is directly below the unit on the seat back.
> I
> also got a free remote which is installed and plugs into the bulkhead (I
> think).
>
> This is the best addition to the boat that I have made (even though
> everyone
> laughed at me for adding it).  I singlehand a lot and it makes sailing
> much
>
> more enjoyable, less tiring and I am able to keep my drinks full and the
> music fresh.  Great when motoring also, although I do run over a lot of
> channel markers.  I also have a wind instrument and can set the a/p to
> hold
>
> a certain apparent wind angle - great on a lake when trying to point as
> high
> as possible.  Nice feature.
>
> The unit performs flawlessly, although I had a problem recently as the
> internal gears were stripped.  I sent it back, they completely rebuilt
the
> insides of the unit and sent it back to me at no charge.  Amazing
customer
> service after 2.5 years.
>
> In summary, I would avoid pedastals and mount it right on the coaming for
> simplicity.  I don't think you would go wrong with either the ST1000 or
> 2000
> - I have no knowledge of any other brands.
>
> I wish I had some pictures, but I don't (on this new computer) and I
won't
> be seeing the boat again for a couple months.
>
> Best of luck.
> Bob K
> s/v Yankee Clipper
>
>
>>From: "William E. Wickman" <wewickman at duke-energy.com>
>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Auto Pilot Question(s)
>>Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:10:30 -0500
>>
>>I am looking at buying a Tillerpilot.  It looks like the Raymarine ST1000
>>is the one everyone is getting.  For those of you with autopilots, I have
> a
>>few questions:
>>
>>1)  Is the ST1000 the best unit for the Rhodes22?  Anyone have or use the
>>Simrad?
>>
>>2) How did you install yours?  Any problems/challenges?  Did you install
>>the pushrod pin above or below the tiller?  Where to install the base of
>>the unit?  How about the power plug?
>>
>>3)  Does the unit have to be installed exactly level?  It looks to me
>> like
>>it would be impossible to install the mounting pedestal (or base unit
>>mounting hole) perfectly horizontal because of the slope of the coaming.
>>How did you deal with the non levelness issue?
>>
>>I read in the Rhodes22 FAQ where Roger recommended a 3" pedestal and 2-
>> 5"
>>rod extenders.  However, a recent picture of Yankee Clipper shows the
>> unit
>>mounted nearly flush to the deck with the pushrod mounted underneath the
>>tiller.
>>
>>Basically, I would love to hear about everyone's experience with these
>>contraptions.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Bill W.
>>
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Regards,

Rick

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