[Rhodes22-list] No profits in prophets? which prophets?

[Wally Buck]

Todd,

Well said as usual.

Wally


>From: "Todd Tavares" <sprocket80 at mail.com>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] No profits in prophets? which prophets?
>Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 00:35:22 -0500
>
>Ed,
>
>
>    Mike may not have time to monitor the list, so I be the defender of the 
>faith (by proxy).
>
>    Someone once said that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom 
>fighter.  Well this obviously depends which side you are on.  As an 
>American in the 21st century, having watched the WTC towers fall IRT on 
>CNN, I view radical Muslims as terrorists and murderers.  If I was an 
>'Indian' at Wounded Knee, the American government was the terrorists and 
>murderers.  If I was a Palestinian in a camp on the West Bank, then the 
>Jews are the murderers and terrorists.  If I was a Jew in Germany in 1941, 
>the Nazis were murderers and terrorists.  This can go back as far as Cain 
>and Abel or when the first primate smashed another primate's skull with a 
>rock....depending on your belief system.
>
>So when you said:
>
> > Al Qaeda is a loosely
> > knit group that wants to create a totalitarian state
> > theoretically based on
> > the Qur'an.
>
>It has a certain impact.  I could just as easily say that the Founding 
>Fathers of the United States were a loosely knit group that created a 
>democratic state, through the use of violence, based theoretically on the 
>Bible.  It has the same impact as the first statement if you are a Muslim; 
>even more so if you were a native Indian at the time (manifest destiny and 
>all that).  But some would argue that Americans aren't hell bent on 
>terrorizing and killing Muslims or destroying their sovereign 
>states....Haven't we already?  That is exactly what we are doing now in 
>Iraq and Afganistan.  We are murdering and terrorizing Muslims because 
>their belief system (general core beliefs-without getting into sects) 
>doesn't align with ours and we are bigger and badder.
>
>We are in a civilized society with books, schooling and now the internet.  
>We have learned thousands upon thousands of things that happened throughout 
>history all over the world.  So for us something that happened like 1850 
>years ago is ANCIENT, ANCIENT history.  If we were a society based on our 
>religious teachings (possibly distorted by prophetic interpretations and 
>hadith), stories and folk tales passed down generation to generation, etc., 
>then something that happened that long ago.....say Ummmmm, the Crusades for 
>instance......would be part of current teachings and folklore.
>
>To paraphrase one guy in the media that recently said all Muslims are 
>terrorists by inclusion, and it may have been the same guy that implied, 
>Islam is the only religion that advocates killing in the name of GOD.   
>This guy has obviously never opened the Qur'an, read the Christian Bible, 
>or the Torah.  By Torah, I am mean all of what the Christians call the Old 
>Testament...not just the Books of Moses.  If he did, he would be astounded 
>at the similarities.  Because all advocate killing and violence in the name 
>of GOD.  THE SAME GOD!!  And all three religions have and continue to kill 
>each other in the name of this same GOD!!   Nothing any one of us (or every 
>one of us) can ever say or do is going to change this.  If the very last 
>three people on earth were one Christian, one Muslim, and one Jew, I can 
>guarantee that eventually there would still be two murders.
>
>So when did YOU join the Klan?
>
>
>As a Jew, I would say "We are God's chosen people as promised to Abraham".  
>As a Christian, I would say "We are heirs to God's promise to his chosen 
>people".  As a Muslim, I would say "By God's promise, we are God's true 
>blessed and chosen people".
>
>Let's go back to where the three religions diverged.  Abraham of Genesis.  
>God promised Abraham two things.  First that his offspring would inherit 
>the land of Caanan. (basically everything from the Nile to the Euphrates)  
>Secondly, God promised Abraham that he would father many nations and his 
>offspring would be blessed in all of the earth.  Abe's lineage would be 
>God's chosen people.  In those days, man's possesions and wealth were 
>passed to the first born son.  Who was Abraham's first born son? 
>Ishmael...sired by Abraham and born to his wife's arab servant.  Who is one 
>of Ishmael's decendants?  Muhammed..the first prophet of Islam.  Case 
>closed?
>
>
>Todd
>
>I hope I didn't step on Mikes toes. (he's probably a Southern Baptist 
>anyway LOL)  In case you were wondering about MY religious background?  
>You'd never guess.......
>
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