[Rhodes22-list] New Vs. recycled

[William P. Barry, III]

Hmmmm. Having had both a New boat and a Recycled boat... New VS. Used VS.
Recycled are all COMPLETELY different. If you want to compare a recycled
boat to a used than let's think. Used equals someone elses problems, someone
elses damages, someone elses half done work and maintanace.

RECYCLED means an old hull, yes. BUT a NEW gel coat finish, REPLACEMENT of
ALL worn, damaged, and no longer useable parts. a WARRANTY, upgrades of all
GBI parts, accessories within reason for a more optimal sailing performance,
and if you put a NEW and Recycled boat next to eachother at a boat
show...ie: Atlantic City- The few people that can establish the difference
between the boats are already Rhodes owners. Now had their been a USED boat
near by, most anyone would be able to see that it wasn't newly launched from
the factory.

Our recycled boat had New sails, upgraded motor lift, and even we couldn't
tell that it was ever owned by another owner. The only reason we went to a
new boat was because the options desired would have cost as much to upgrade
or more than to just start with a new hull.

-Former R22 Owner (Bulldog)



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] New Member


S/V - Sailing Vessel
as opposed to:
M/V @#$#% Vessel

Lee, I don't own a Rhodes (my brother does, and I got on here to help him
out), but the difference between a recycled Rhodes and a used one is just
about the same difference between a new boat and a used one. When you take
the hull of a fiberglass boat, ensure it's in good shape, then rebuild the
boat, you basically have a new boat in an old hull. If your finances allow,
I'd recommend you buy new. If that's too much, I recommend the recycled. If
you can't afford that, then, and only then, go to a used.


Herb Parsons

S/V O'Jure
  1976 O'Day 25
  Lake Grapevine, N TX

S/V Reve de Papa
  1971 Coronado 35
  Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast

>>> LKUHN at cnmc.org 10/26/2005 3:16:50 PM >>>
Hello group!

My name is Lee Kuhn and this is my first post.  I live on Kent Island which
is just across the Chesapeake Bay Bridge from Annapolis, MD.  I've been
happily married for over 25 years and have a 14-year old son.  Hopefully
I'll remain happily married after I buy this boat.  I work in administration
at a children's hospital in Washington, DC and just retired from the army
reserves after 28 years.  Although I've sailed on a variety of boats over
the last 30 years, I definitely consider myself a novice sailor and this
will be the first boat I've ever owned.  I've taken the US Sailing basic
keelboat course and I rent 24' Rainbow daysailers from the Annapolis Naval
Station.  I've read everything on Rhodes22.com and Rhodes22.org.  Twice.  I
sailed on a 22 at this year's Annapolis Boat Show (thank you Jay, Elton &
Stan) in a mild breeze and had a wonderful afternoon sailing last Sunday
with a local Rhodes owner in slightly higher winds (sorry about burying the
rail Alice).

Stan has invited me to visit his factory this upcoming Veterans Day weekend.
I have a deposit down on a 1986 recycled boat.  This is my first boat and I
don't want to spend a lot of money.  If I can get my family hooked on
sailing, I'd like to trade the boat in for a new or higher-end recycled per
Stan's buy-back policy.

Question #1:  I don't have any problem paying someone else to work on a used
boat to get it in good condition, but I'm not that interested in paying for
the peace-of-mind for a two year warranty.  From what I can tell, a recycled
1986 may be about twice the price of a used one in "good" condition.  Do you
think most of that cost is justified in labor and parts, or justified by the
two year warranty?  I'm sure I'll get a better idea of recycling costs
during the factory tour.

Question #2:  Any recommendations for owner upgrades?  Stan knows I'm cheap
and has advised me accordingly.  The Rhodes22.org FAQ has been a tremendous
help.  I'm considering the following:
--Used 9.9 Merc outboard (I told Stan I wanted something strong enough for
the Kent Narrows current.  After reading today's posts, I think this might
be overkill.  The used is about half the price of new, but I'm also
interested in reliability.  Would new and smaller be a better value?)
--2nd coat of bottom paint (Cheap and I can tell when it's time to repaint
if it's in a different color than the 1st coat.)
--Replace front opening ports with fixed ports (To minimize the chance for
leaks.)
--One solar panel (Two would look better, but I assume the increase in
charging capability normally wouldn't be worth it.)
--Cockpit cushions (Hopefully Stan can find me some used ones that are
acceptable.)
--Replace interior cushions (The only thing my wife insisted upon after
viewing the photos of the boat.  I have no clue how much it'll cost.)
--Bimini (I think I will hate it when I don't need it and love it when I
do.)
--Upgrade electrical system (It comes with a 12V/3 circuit system and one
battery.  I primarily plan on using the boat as a daysailer but have no idea
how much juice is typically used for an overnighter.  Two batteries worth
it?  Shore power?  Don't they make something that converts 12V to 110 if I
need it?)

Question #3:  Do you have any advice in general that's not found on either
website, or that's so important it's worth repeating?  Anything really
important that you know now and didn't know then?

Thanks for your help!

Lee

And one last stupid question.  I assume S/V is followed by the name of your
boats.  What does S/V stand for?

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