[Rhodes22-list] New Orleans Flood control problems

Ronald Lipton rlipton at earthlink.net
Fri Sep 2 09:25:15 EDT 2005 

It is interesting to see how accurate some of the gloom and doom"  
predictions of
previous years were:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/editorial/outlook/3335758
http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/wetlands/ 
hurricane1.html
http://plasma.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0410/feature5/

The news from New Orleans is chilling - especially the lawlessness
and disorder that lies just below the surface.
The problems are not just related to the levee system, but loss of  
wetlands and
a overall lack of vision in REALLY understanding the magnitude of a  
potential
levee breach.  There are clearly people who thought about, and worried  
about,
the big picture.  We should learn from our mistakes and ask why this  
disaster
occured and whether it could have been mitigated - probably not  
prevented.


I think we (this administration in particular) are treating
global warming in the same way. It is not affecting us yet - addressing  
it is bad
for big business, so we ignore the problem until it is too late.

Ron
On Sep 2, 2005, at 7:32 AM, Wally Buck wrote:

> Hank,
>
> Having a plan helps. Did they not do this on any of the limited exit  
> routes?
>
> Charleston was ravaged and bounced back nicely from Hugo. It was  
> terrible but not the desperate situation resulting from Kat.
>
> Changing the subject just a little .... the resulting violence and  
> lawlessness is very scary to see. According to the "news" there have  
> been a handful of murders and rapes in the Superdome. Cops have no  
> fuel to patrol and many have resigned or just walked off the job.
>
> Wally
>
>> From: Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] New Orleans Flood control problems
>> Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 07:32:46 -0400
>>
>> We were in Myrtle Beach for Charle last year and they did the same  
>> thing.
>> The major arteries were all one way.
>>  Hank
>>
>>  On 9/2/05, Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I am not sure when you moved to SC but they did this for Hugo. All  
>> lanes
>> > of
>> > 26 were NORTH! Both my wife and I were wonering why this wasn't  
>> done.
>> >
>> > Wally
>> >
>> >
>> > >From: "ed kroposki" <ekroposki at charter.net>
>> > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> > >To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] New Orleans Flood control problems
>> > >Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 09:41:06 -0400
>> > >
>> > >Wrong: The Red Cross should always beat the National Guard to a  
>> disaster.
>> > >The National Guard is a military organization, not a social relief
>> > >organization. Better yet, national religious organizations should  
>> also
>> > >beat
>> > >the National Guard. States, Counties and municipalities should have
>> > >disaster plans. Obviously, New Orleans, Louisiana and southern
>> > Mississippi
>> > >did not good evacuation plans. Did you see the pictures of people  
>> trying
>> > >to
>> > >leave on the northbound interstates? It was a six-lane road. Three  
>> lanes
>> > >bumper to bumper trying to get out. Three lanes with occasional  
>> traffic
>> > >going south. The proper thing would have been to close all traffic  
>> going
>> > >south and divert traffic going north onto the south bound lanes.  
>> Six
>> > lanes
>> > >out would have expedited the evacuation. They should have had gas  
>> tank
>> > >trucks filling up cars before they got on so that people who had  
>> limited
>> > >gas
>> > >could go farther away. Blame the wimpy and slow to act local and  
>> state
>> > >officials.
>> > >Now the National Guard and military police are needed to control  
>> the
>> > >situation. I would hope that they are armed with orders to shot to  
>> kill
>> > >troublemakers. There is no need to tolerate bad human behavior.  
>> They
>> > >jeopardize the efforts of good people trying to do good deeds. Did  
>> you
>> > see
>> > >the pictures of all the private fishing boats, bass boats, fan  
>> boats,
>> > >volunteering to assist. There is good and bad. This situation is
>> > >illustrating both.
>> > >Why is the Federal Government the one to blame about lack of flood
>> > control
>> > >funding. Why aren't municipal and state governments responsible?  
>> It is
>> > >because they would have to raise local and state taxes. Why should  
>> people
>> > >in Minnesota have to pay for flood control in New Orleans?  
>> Facilities and
>> > >businesses could locate in safer locations, and some have.
>> > >
>> > >Oh, hum.
>> > >Ed Kroposki
>> > >Greenville, SC, USA
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >-----Original Message-----
>> > >From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> > >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of anima13
>> > >Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:13 AM
>> > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] New Orleans Flood control funding
>> > >
>> > >Yes, Saroj,
>> > >
>> > >The Red Cross should never beat the National Guard to a disaster.
>> > >
>> > >Anne
>> > >
>> > >-----Original Message-----
>> > >From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> > >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Saroj  
>> Gilbert
>> > >Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 6:55 AM
>> > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> > >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Orleans Flood control funding
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >Interesting piece tying in the impact of the Iraq war with the  
>> current
>> > >disaster in New Orleans:
>> > >=======================
>> > >
>> > >"No One Can Say they Didn't See it Coming"
>> > >
>> > >By Sidney Blumenthal
>> > >
>> > >In 2001, FEMA warned that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one  
>> of the
>> > >three most likely disasters in the U.S. But the Bush  
>> administration cut
>> > New
>> > >Orleans flood control funding by 44 percent to pay for the Iraq  
>> war.
>> > >http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,372455,00.html
>> > >
>> > >========================
>> > >
>> > >This is sickening... I just can't figure out why the streets (or  
>> should I
>> > >say "streams") of New Orleans and other gulf coastal areas are not
>> > swamped
>> > >(sorry) with U.S. Military handing out food, water, diapers, and  
>> other
>> > >essentials... oh... they're all in Iraq... well I guess the Navy  
>> got soft
>> > >and decided to deploy a ship out of Norfolk yesterday.... hmmm...  
>> should
>> > >arrive in a week? The way the government has responded to this  
>> disaster
>> > so
>> > >far is shameful. We treat citizens in other countries better than  
>> we
>> > treat
>> > >our own.
>> > >
>> > >Saroj
>> > >
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