[Rhodes22-list] Blame the

[Hank]

Michael,
 Very well said. My decoder ring must be working.
 Hank

 On 9/7/05, michael meltzer <michaelmeltzer at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> 
> Frankly bill "blinded by the light" comes to mind or
> Target fixation(same thing that cause a fighter pilot
> fly his plan right into the ground). All you see is
> the "Feds", I think it a little broader.
> 
> I have a problem with allot of the players and also
> take the view that people make rationale decisions
> 
> 1)IIRC this is a coastal city that is 6 feet on
> average below sea level. You notice the original
> French quarter is OK, why did they let house be built
> in the lower zones? cheap land maybe?????
> 
> 2)When I bought my house, I had to get a sign off on
> the flood maps, people did not know????? Their are
> sign post all over town showing flood stages(west
> port), I am sure the locals know the score.
> 
> 3)what happen to every local officials? cut and run
> maybe???, I am sure their were least 500-1000 school
> bus in the local area before the storm. No need to
> spend the money????????
> 
> 4)population conditioned to "just ride it out", like
> last time, ever notice all the cars in the flood?
> 
> 5)this has been a problem 30 year in the making, where
> were the district, and city official "planing", again
> they knew the score for a somewhat unique local
> problem, move equipment to high ground? preposition
> supplies(at least 72 hours worth)?, buy only high
> water capable vichicals for city use(like we does with
> trash truck for plowing)? A quick reaction group with
> supplies and methods to plug a level break? The flood
> plans are were know, were was the automatics reaction
> from the local side to get their people out, you know
> the plan and supplies?
> 
> 6)why did it take the Gerard/ to bring order? maybe
> something about being shot? the local cops looked just
> like crown heights
> 
> 7)oh, do not forget all state people, both potical and
> full time staff who seemed duct all responsibly. Nice
> living off the government tit? never make a decision
> that could cost you your job? only contract out work?
> 
> 
> 8)how of the levels did break? 500 feet out of 100 of
> miles? 99.99+% where OK, the repair thing again, their
> are never any kick backs? shirty work?
> 
> 9)FEMA looked bad, no too ways.
> 
> 10)maybe I am crackly in my old age, but the Russian
> system shooting the general and turn to next in
> command "you are next if this is not solved in 24
> hour" was need here.
> 
> 11)the military has a problem moving, it it supply
> train, logical support, because everything is
> "organic" it take a while to move into position. they
> used the 82 because they come with their own supplies
> in the drop.
> 
> 12)could it be bill, just maybe, bush saying "he not
> happy" was enough to shake the lead out of some
> burocrats to make a call, take a risk, solve the
> problem, like in keep their job. how many government
> employs are in play, from at least four pairale
> reporting lines(local, city, state, fed)? 10,000,
> 100,000, more, I am not sure, how much is "command and
> control" that failed?
> 
> 13)So how much of a new asshole are you going to rip
> me :-), I got at least 2 holes now :-) you will slice
> and dice me in writing style. But when you claim I
> wrong, uninformed, misguided or do not understand.
> well that brings me back to the beginning. "blinded
> by the light"
> 
> 
> 
> I am only getting started in the list, their are
> allot of players here who failed in leadership now and
> over the years.
> 
> 
> -mjm
> 
> PS. ED has the latest decoder ring:-)
> 
> 
> 
> --- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> 
> > Wally,
> >
> > The death and destruction unfolding on the Gulf
> > Coast is not an "Act of
> > God", and I'm going to speak up when anyone tries to
> > shift the
> > responsibility for this ongoing tragedy from our
> > federal government
> > either to God or to the victims.
> >
> > The killing damage was not done by the hurricane in
> > New Orleans. The
> > center of the hurricane narrowly missed to the East.
> > Gulfport was flattened.
> >
> > The killing damage in New Orleans happened as a
> > result of Federally
> > built levees, designed to withstand Category 3
> > storms, failing, and
> > allowing the city to fill with water. The Federal
> > Government then
> > failed to understand that a catastrophe far worse
> > than any hurricane was
> > in the process of unfolding.
> >
> > You may remember the discussion on this list about
> > the Army Corps of
> > Engineers saying the water was going to be no
> > problem--that as soon as
> > the level of the lake water fell below the level of
> > the levee, New
> > Orleans would naturally drain right back out into
> > the lake. Just don't
> > plug up the holes. I said that was stupid then. Is
> > there anyone today
> > who wants to argue that it was smart?
> >
> > The citizens of New Orleans, along with virtually
> > all of their
> > politicians, begged the federal government to
> > strengthen the levees for
> > 30 years prior to this collapse. The Federal
> > government actually
> > reduced the amount of money, and refused to upgrade
> > the levees.
> >
> > This is a political disaster, not a natural
> > disaster, although the Swift
> > Boat Captains are already out there, trying to
> > rearrange the facts to
> > fit their politics.
> >
> > More Americans will die as a result of this man made
> > disaster than will
> > die in Afghanistan, Iraq and 9/11 combined. I have
> > many friends in New
> > Orleans who still have not been heard from. We all
> > hope they just have
> > been too busy to call any of us who were out, or who
> > got out.
> >
> > When a judge ruled after 10 years that a feeding
> > tube could legally be
> > pulled out of Terri Schiavo, the entire Republican
> > Political machine
> > hopped on airplanes, interrupted vacations, passed
> > legislation, and
> > attempted to "save" that one life.
> >
> > When perhaps 10,000 people in New Orleans were
> > dying, President Bush
> > never left his ranch except for fund raisers,
> > Congress did not
> > reconvene, Dick Cheney never left his ranch at all,
> > Condeleeza Rice went
> > to see "Spamalot", emergency powers were not
> > invoked, FEMA didn't even
> > know what was going on, and made the problem worse
> > by turning away help
> > that was offered, saying it was not needed, no one
> > asked for aircraft...
> >
> > And then, Our President told the head of the Federal
> > Agency who he had
> > appointed to be in charge of Federal Emergency
> > Management "Brownie,
> > you're doin' a heck of a job!"
> >
> > Wally, I am mad as hell. I don't think either my
> > politics or my
> > judgment is clouded. My friends are dying, and our
> > government is
> > spending more time trying to cloud your judgment,
> > than it is trying to
> > address the issues. If Herb, or Brad, or Ed, or
> > anyone else tries to
> > shift the responsibility for this tragedy from the
> > government that
> > actually created it, to the victims who are still
> > literally fighting for
> > their lives, they're going to hear from me.
> >
> > I think of you as a fair minded person who weighs
> > all sides of issues.
> > If you are confused on this issue, and think that it
> > is my judgment that
> > is clouded, then I must address that. I'm not mad
> > at you.
> >
> > Our President said on national television, 3 days
> > after the levees broke:
> >
> > "I don't think anyone anticipated the breach of the
> > levees."
> >
> > That is catastrophic, tragic, stupidity. It is
> > obviously not true on
> > the face of it. It is the mark of a government that
> > takes no
> > responsibility for any failed policy or action.
> >
> > MY judgment is clouded by my politics? I don't
> > think so.
> >
> > Bill Effros
> >
> >
> > Wally Buck wrote:
> >
> > > Bill,
> > >
> > > Often I agree with you, sometimes I don't. Your
> > politics are clouding
> > > your judgement. This is a Natural Disaster. Try to
> > keep that in mind.
> > > This is not the man trying to keep the poor down.
> > Barbara Bush's
> > > comment could be misread by those trying to do so.
> > My take; she was
> > > commenting that for many they are trying to look
> > at the bright side.
> > > They were coming from a less than ideal situation
> > and were hopeful the
> > > change might help them. It looked to me like she
> > was trying tio help.
> > >
> > >
> > > It does seem the the guy running FEMA was in no
> > way qualified for his
> > > job.
> > >
> > > Wally
> > >
> > >> From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
> > >> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Blame the Victims
> > >> Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 12:04:54 -0400
> > >>
> > >> Wally,
> > >>
> > >> The campaign to blame the victims is ramping up.
> > Especially if the
> > >> victims are poor and black. The nearby
> > predominantly white city of
> > >> Chalmette was also wiped out. Gulfport's
> > evacuation plan didn't
> > >> work, either. Biloxi's didn't work. (For that
> > matter, the Key West
> > >> Evacuation plan never works, and just remains a
> > bad joke.) St.
> > >> Bernard Parish still hasn't received any Federal
> > help:
> > >>
> > >> "This is Day 8, guys. Everything was diverted
> > first to New Orleans,
> > >> we understand that. But do you realize we got 18
> > to 20 feet of water
> > >> from the storm, and we've still got 7 to 8 feet
> > of water?" said Ron
> > >> Silva, a district fire chief. "If you had dropped
> > a bomb on this
> > >> place, it couldn't be any worse than this."
> > >>
> > >> "Aaron Broussard, president of Jefferson Parish
> > near New Orleans
> > >> sobbing, told of an emergency management official
> > receiving phone
> > >> calls from his mother, who, trapped in a nursing
> > home, pleaded day
> > >> after day for rescue. Assured by federal
> > officials, the man promised
> > >> her repeatedly that help was on the way.
> > >>
> > >> "Every day she called him and said, "Are you
> > coming, son? Is somebody
> > >> coming?' " Mr. Broussard said. "And he said,
> > 'Yeah, Mama, somebody's
> > >> coming to get you.' Somebody's coming to get you
> > on
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