[Rhodes22-list] Blame the

[michael meltzer]

can not explain, but got two "tibits" that caught me
eye last night. At least covered a couple of question
at the time.

The Goverers office would not FEMA go in or the red
cross, or give FEMA control,(got to love states
rights), apratinly FEMA has to "ask permission" the
way the it is up.  the state logic was they did not
want to make the area a "magnetic" for people to come
to but wanted to force/get the people out. 20/20 hind
sight tells that bad call because it took days to
orginize the transport and placement, they seems to
"be in over thier heads" and people were not taken
care of in the mean time.  Truff war custerfuck? and
kind of a mean way of play it? or did some not relize
the cause and effect of thier desions? worst part it
might be true, kind of matchs the timelines.

The other one, Get his, homeland securty was not
letting airplains to be used until the "screeners"
were in place and they had full securty at the
airports, make sure no one is a trorist!!!!!, fighting
the last war? small minds thinking? CYA? stuipness
from low level officials not willing to take a risk or
think out of the box, truff war clustfuck again?


I am staring to think, they should take the top 2000
officals in this mess and put them on "gave digging"
details for two weeks, better to understand the cost
of thier actions, and to remeber for the reset of
thier goverment crearre. but will never happen, CYA.

-mjm
-mjm



--- Rik Sandberg <sanderico at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Thanks Michael,
> 
> Good points all.
> 
> Maybe someone could explain to me (and this is only
> ONE instance where 
> the mayor and the people running the city of N.O.
> dropped the ball) how 
> it is that when they knew the levees were so likely
> to be breached, that 
> all of their city and school buses ended up under
> water??
> 
> Just who is it that should be better prepared for
> this situation than 
> the people who are living in it?
> 
> As far as the strength of the levees go: They were
> built to withstand 
> the worst storm (Camille '69) that they had ever
> seen there. They had 
> been holding back the waters for almost forty years,
> as designed. 
> According to the ACE the breaks were not in the
> places that were even on 
> the list for addition or repair.
> 
> Perhaps Bill's hatred of the President clouds his
> vision of the situation???
> 
> Rik
> 
> michael meltzer wrote:
> 
> >Frankly bill "blinded by the light" comes to mind
> or
> >Target fixation(same thing that cause a fighter
> pilot
> >fly his plan right into the ground). All you see is
> >the "Feds", I think it a little broader. 
> >
> >I have a problem with allot of the players and also
> >take the view that people make rationale decisions
> >
> >1)IIRC this is a coastal city that is 6 feet on
> >average below sea level. You notice the original
> >French quarter is OK, why did they let house be
> built
> >in the lower zones? cheap land maybe?????
> >
> >2)When I bought my house, I had to get a sign off
> on
> >the flood maps, people did not know????? Their are
> >sign post all over town showing flood stages(west
> >port), I am sure the locals know the score.
> >
> >3)what happen to every local officials? cut and run
> >maybe???, I am sure their were least 500-1000
> school
> >bus in the local area before the storm. No need to
> >spend the money????????
> >
> >4)population conditioned to "just ride it out",
> like
> >last time, ever notice all the cars in the flood?
> >
> >5)this has been a problem 30 year in the making,
> where
> >were the district, and city official "planing",
> again
> >they knew the score for a somewhat unique local
> >problem, move equipment to high ground? preposition
> >supplies(at least 72 hours worth)?, buy only high
> >water capable vichicals for city use(like we does
> with
> >trash truck for plowing)? A quick reaction group
> with
> >supplies and methods to plug a level break? The
> flood
> >plans are were know, were was the automatics
> reaction
> >from the local side to get their people out, you
> know
> >the plan and supplies? 
> >
> >6)why did it take the Gerard/ to bring order? maybe
> >something about being shot? the local cops looked
> just
> >like crown heights
> >
> >7)oh, do not forget all state people, both potical
> and
> >full time staff who seemed duct all responsibly.
> Nice
> >living off the government tit? never make a
> decision
> >that could cost you your job? only contract out
> work? 
> >
> >
> >8)how of the levels did break? 500 feet out of 100
> of
> >miles? 99.99+% where OK, the repair thing again,
> their
> >are never any kick backs? shirty work?  
> >
> >9)FEMA looked bad, no too ways.
> >
> >10)maybe I am crackly in my old age, but the
> Russian
> >system shooting the general and turn to next in
> >command "you are next if this is not solved in 24
> >hour" was need here.
> >
> >11)the military has a problem moving, it it supply
> >train, logical support, because everything is
> >"organic" it take a while to move into position.
> they
> >used the 82 because they come with their own
> supplies
> >in the drop.
> >
> >12)could it be bill, just maybe, bush saying "he
> not
> >happy" was enough to shake the lead out of some
> >burocrats to make a call, take a risk, solve the
> >problem, like in keep their job. how many
> government
> >employs are in play, from at least four pairale
> >reporting lines(local, city, state, fed)? 10,000,
> >100,000, more, I am not sure, how much is "command
> and
> >control" that failed? 
> >
> >13)So how much of a new asshole are you going to
> rip
> >me :-), I got at least 2 holes now :-) you will
> slice
> >and dice me in writing style. But when you claim I
> >wrong, uninformed, misguided or do not understand.
> >well that brings me back to the beginning. 
> "blinded
> >by the light"
> >
> >
> >
> > I am only getting started in the list, their are
> >allot of players here who failed in leadership now
> and
> >over the years.
> >
> >
> >-mjm
> >
> >PS. ED has the latest decoder ring:-)
> >
> >
> >
> >--- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>Wally,
> >>
> >>The death and destruction unfolding on the Gulf
> >>Coast is not an "Act of 
> >>God", and I'm going to speak up when anyone tries
> to
> >>shift the 
> >>responsibility for this ongoing tragedy from our
> >>federal government 
> >>either to God or to the victims.
> >>
> >>The killing damage was not done by the hurricane
> in
> >>New Orleans.  The 
> >>center of the hurricane narrowly missed to the
> East.
> >>Gulfport was flattened.
> >>
> >>The killing damage in New Orleans happened as a
> >>result of Federally 
> >>built levees, designed to withstand Category 3
> >>storms, failing, and 
> >>allowing the city to fill with water.  The Federal
> >>Government then 
> >>failed to understand that a catastrophe far worse
> >>than any hurricane was 
> >>in the process of unfolding.
> >>
> >>You may remember the discussion on this list about
> >>the Army Corps of 
> >>Engineers saying the water was going to be no
> >>problem--that as soon as 
> >>the level of the lake water fell below the level
> of
> >>the levee, New 
> >>Orleans would naturally drain right back out into
> >>the lake.  Just don't 
> >>plug up the holes.  I said that was stupid then. 
> Is
> 
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