[Rhodes22-list] Blame the Now: Sailing

Sun Sep 11 09:42:47 EDT 2005

I got at least 8! Wally

>From: "Chris Geankoplis" <napoli68 at charter.net>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Blame the Now: Sailing
>Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:39:50 -0700
>
>Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim,
>     Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
>Chris G X 8
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jim White" <lemenagerie22 at yahoo.com>
>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 12:02 PM
>Subject: Re: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Blame the Now: Sailing
>
>
> > Hay Chihuahua
> > This last message from Hugh was duplicated 8 times in my incoming mail?
>Did this happen to anyone else? What's up??
> > X-SM-SEEN-42FBCDAA: 10.09.05 17:34:43
> > X-SM-From: lemenagerie22 at yahoo.com--
> > X-SM-ORDB:
>10.20.201.160+;209.225.28.188+;67.102.42.14+;127.0.0.1+;web30912.mail.mud.ya
>hoo.com+;qmail 33259 invoked by uid 60
> > X-SM-BAYESIAN: 0.00
> > X-SM-BAYESIAN-WORDS: USED MAIN SHORT PAST WEEK EXPERIENCE CANVAS 
>SOMETHING
>FEEL COMMUNITY AMERICANS RATHER CANNOT FELLOW PRES
> > X-SM-NEW-WORDS: 10
> > X-SM-SPAMRATE: 0
> >
> > I just aquired a new (hardly used) mainsail for le Menagerie...same cut 
>as
>the old one, but lacks battens (my old main has three short battens. I'm
>going to test it out tomorrow (given good conditions...we've been in a
>monsoon for the past week). Anybody else have any experience with an
>unbattened main? If it turns out to be todo chingada, I'll take it over to
>our canvas shop and have some pockets sewn in....I also want another set of
>reef points...
> >
> > Obviously I don't have IMF.
> >
> > On a note related to NOLA...my son is taking one of OUR "new locals"  
>from
>Metarie (she's in some of his classes at the high school) surfing this
>weekend. HE's doing something to make her feel more like part of the
>community...
> >
> > besides, he says she's pretty cute....
> >
> > Soooo....who's being proactive, and who's being reactive?
> >
> > Cheers
> > jw
> >
> > ghpnn at bellsouth.net wrote:
> > Herb,
> >
> > Are you intentionally missing the point for political purposes?
> >
> > The disaster response was mismanaged. Thousands of Americans died as a
>result. If the failures are
> > covered up rather than examined they cannot be corrected. This is not a
>political issue. The only thing
> > that matters is that FEMA be improved to operate more effectively next
>time. We could start by
> > replacing Mr. Michael Brown, the fellow appointed by the President 
>despite
>the fact that he has who
> > no disaster management experience, with an experienced professional. If
>you dispute this claim
> > about Mr. Brown's lack of experience just access the FEMA website and 
>read
>his resume.
> >
> > Hugh
> > >
> > > From: "Herb Parsons"
> > > Date: 2005/09/09 Fri PM 01:02:26 EDT
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Blame the
> > >
> > > Sorry Bill, your attempts to turn this to your political agenda is
>wrong. Most of it was an act of God,
> > the majority of the rest is an act of people that didn't believe what 
>they
>were told, and chose to stay
> > (many are STILL making that choice). I've never seen so many bull-headed
>people so determined to
> > fulfill there own political agenda's on the graves of these poor people.
>At the risk of sounding
> > personal, your attitude and comments disgust me.
> > >
> > > Herb Parsons
> > >
> > > S/V O'Jure
> > > 1976 O'Day 25
> > > Lake Grapevine, N TX
> > >
> > > S/V Reve de Papa
> > > 1971 Coronado 35
> > > Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast
> > >
> > > >>> bill at effros.com 9/7/2005 11:50:56 AM >>>
> > > Wally,
> > >
> > > The death and destruction unfolding on the Gulf Coast is not an "Act 
>of
> > > God", and I'm going to speak up when anyone tries to shift the
> > > responsibility for this ongoing tragedy from our federal government
> > > either to God or to the victims.
> > >
> > > The killing damage was not done by the hurricane in New Orleans. The
> > > center of the hurricane narrowly missed to the East. Gulfport was
>flattened.
> > >
> > > The killing damage in New Orleans happened as a result of Federally
> > > built levees, designed to withstand Category 3 storms, failing, and
> > > allowing the city to fill with water. The Federal Government then
> > > failed to understand that a catastrophe far worse than any hurricane 
>was
> > > in the process of unfolding.
> > >
> > > You may remember the discussion on this list about the Army Corps of
> > > Engineers saying the water was going to be no problem--that as soon as
> > > the level of the lake water fell below the level of the levee, New
> > > Orleans would naturally drain right back out into the lake. Just don't
> > > plug up the holes. I said that was stupid then. Is there anyone today
> > > who wants to argue that it was smart?
> > >
> > > The citizens of New Orleans, along with virtually all of their
> > > politicians, begged the federal government to strengthen the levees 
>for
> > > 30 years prior to this collapse. The Federal government actually
> > > reduced the amount of money, and refused to upgrade the levees.
> > >
> > > This is a political disaster, not a natural disaster, although the 
>Swift
> > > Boat Captains are already out there, trying to rearrange the facts to
> > > fit their politics.
> > >
> > > More Americans will die as a result of this man made disaster than 
>will
> > > die in Afghanistan, Iraq and 9/11 combined. I have many friends in New
> > > Orleans who still have not been heard from. We all hope they just have
> > > been too busy to call any of us who were out, or who got out.
> > >
> > > When a judge ruled after 10 years that a feeding tube could legally be
> > > pulled out of Terri Schiavo, the entire Republican Political machine
> > > hopped on airplanes, interrupted vacations, passed legislation, and
> > > attempted to "save" that one life.
> > >
> > > When perhaps 10,000 people in New Orleans were dying, President Bush
> > > never left his ranch except for fund raisers, Congress did not
> > > reconvene, Dick Cheney never left his ranch at all, Condeleeza Rice 
>went
> > > to see "Spamalot", emergency powers were not invoked, FEMA didn't even
> > > know what was going on, and made the problem worse by turning away 
>help
> > > that was offered, saying it was not needed, no one asked for 
>aircraft...
> > >
> > > And then, Our President told the head of the Federal Agency who he had
> > > appointed to be in charge of Federal Emergency Management "Brownie,
> > > you're doin' a heck of a job!"
> > >
> > > Wally, I am mad as hell. I don't think either my politics or my
> > > judgment is clouded. My friends are dying, and our government is
> > > spending more time trying to cloud your judgment, than it is trying to
> > > address the issues. If Herb, or Brad, or Ed, or anyone else tries to
> > > shift the responsibility for this tragedy from the government that
> > > actually created it, to the victims who are still literally fighting 
>for
> > > their lives, they're going to hear from me.
> > >
> > > I think of you as a fair minded person who weighs all sides of issues.
> > > If you are confused on this issue, and think that it is my judgment 
>that
> > > is clouded, then I must address that. I'm not mad at you.
> > >
> > > Our President said on national television, 3 days after the levees
>broke:
> > >
> > > "I don't think anyone anticipated the breach of the levees."
> > >
> > > That is catastrophic, tragic, stupidity. It is obviously not true on
> > > the face of it. It is the mark of a government that takes no
> > > responsibility for any failed policy or action.
> > >
> > > MY judgment is clouded by my politics? I don't think so.
> > >
> > > Bill Effros
> > >
> > >
> > > Wally Buck wrote:
> > >
> > > > Bill,
> > > >
> > > > Often I agree with you, sometimes I don't. Your politics are 
>clouding
> > > > your judgement. This is a Natural Disaster. Try to keep that in 
>mind.
> > > > This is not the man trying to keep the poor down. Barbara Bush's
> > > > comment could be misread by those trying to do so. My take; she was
> > > > commenting that for many they are trying to look at the bright side.
> > > > They were coming from a less than ideal situation and were hopeful 
>the
> > > > change might help them. It looked to me like she was trying tio 
>help.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It does seem the the guy running FEMA was in no way qualified for 
>his
> > > > job.
> > > >
> > > > Wally
> > > >
> > > >> From: Bill Effros
> > > >> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > >> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Blame the Victims
> > > >> Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 12:04:54 -0400
> > > >>
> > > >> Wally,
> > > >>
> > > >> The campaign to blame the victims is ramping up. Especially if the
> > > >> victims are poor and black. The nearby predominantly white city of
> > > >> Chalmette was also wiped out. Gulfport's evacuation plan didn't
> > > >> work, either. Biloxi's didn't work. (For that matter, the Key West
> > > >> Evacuation plan never works, and just remains a bad joke.) St.
> > > >> Bernard Parish still hasn't received any Federal help:
> > > >>
> > > >> "This is Day 8, guys. Everything was diverted first to New Orleans,
> > > >> we understand that. But do you realize we got 18 to 20 feet of 
>water
> > > >> from the storm, and we've still got 7 to 8 feet of water?" said Ron
> > > >> Silva, a district fire chief. "If you had dropped a bomb on this
> > > >> place, it couldn't be any worse than this."
> > > >>
> > > >> "Aaron Broussard, president of Jefferson Parish near New Orleans
> > > >> sobbing, told of an emergency management official receiving phone
> > > >> calls from his mother, who, trapped in a nursing home, pleaded day
> > > >> after day for rescue. Assured by federal officials, the man 
>promised
> > > >> her repeatedly that help was on the way.
> > > >>
> > > >> "Every day she called him and said, "Are you coming, son? Is 
>somebody
> > > >> coming?' " Mr. Broussard said. "And he said, 'Yeah, Mama, 
>somebody's
> > > >> coming to get you.' Somebody's coming to get you on Tuesday.
> > > >> Somebody's coming to get you on Wednesday. Somebody's coming to get
> > > >> you on Thursday. Somebody's coming to get you on Friday. And she
> > > >> drowned Friday night. She drowned Friday night."
> > > >>
> > > >> Look at identical pictures of people wading through flood waters
> > > >> holding food--the caption under the black guy's picture is "Looters
> > > >> Running Rampant in New Orleans" the caption under the white guy's
> > > >> picture is "Residents Finding Food to Stay Alive".
> > > >>
> > > >> And now this news from Barbara Bush:
> > > >>
> > > >> "What I'm hearing, which is sort of scary, is they all want to stay
> > > >> in Texas. Everyone is so overwhelmed by the hospitality and so many
> > > >> of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged
> > > >> anyway, so this is working very well for them."
> > > >>
> > > >> Bill Effros
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> brad haslett wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Wally,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> It will be years before NO recovers from this, the
> > > >>> nation as well, and there will be lots of failing
> > > >>> grades passed around when all the investigations are
> > > >>> over. In the meantime, a lot of people are still
> > > >>> suffering and still need our help, and money, or both.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> The last revision of a bad plan from the city of NO
> > > >>> was to make and distribute DVD's before this years
> > > >>> hurricane season, educating the citizens that in the
> > > >>> event of a major hurricane, "you are on your own". The city plan
> > > >>> also included using the city and school
> > > >>> system bus fleet for evacuation but even that wasn't
> > > >>> implemented.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> As we speak, the National Guard is still under command
> > > >>> of the LA governor. If regular military units
> > > >>> step-in, they can engage in relief efforts only, not
> > > >>> law enforcement under the Posse Comitatus Act. Every
> > > >>> FEMA engagement plan assumes that the local
> > > >>> authorities will control the first 72 hours. It is
> > > >>> painfully clear that NO either could not or would not
> > > >>> do that. "Cowboy" Bush could have stepped up to the
> > > >>> plate and taken over the whole operation early-on
> > > >>> through his emergency powers, something no President
> > > >>> has done since Reconstruction.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Unless we are willing to re-write the constitution
> > > >>> dividing the separations of local/state/federal power,
> > > >>> we have to assume that each level of government will
> > > >>> do their part at the appropriate time. If they can't
> > > >>> or won't, these are the results we get. Tragically
> > > >>> for the citizens of NO, a lot of elected officials
> > > >>> failed to do their part.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> The lesson that should be burning in all our 'noggins'
> > > >>> as we discuss these issues is this: Take
> > > >>> responsibility for you and your family's welfare. Be
> > > >>> a Boy Scout - be prepared.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Brad
> > > >>>
> > > >>> --- Wally Buck wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> As always it is hard to figure out the truth. One
> > > >>>> thing for sure I have never seen anything like this. It does 
>seems
> > > >>>> that
> > > >>>> many mistakes were made by local, State and Federal officials. 
>You
> > > >>>> can also
> > > >>>> second guess anyone who had the means to leave but stayed. I 
>can't
> > > >>>> see murder
> > > >>>> charges for officials but it does seem that Home Land Security
> > > >>>> running FEMA is
> > > >>>> a cluster f**k.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Did FEMA really send water back? Was the Guard
> > > >>>> authorization form just haning out of a fax machine waiting a
> > > >>>> signature or
> > > >>>> what? I am not a big Bush fan but it is hard for me to believe 
>that
> > > >>>> the whole
> > > >>>> delay was because Bush was chopping wood. Local officials let the
> > > >>>> people
> > > >>>> down years ago by not developing a solid plan. It cost dearly,
> > > >>>> hopefully
> > > >>>> other areas learn from this.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> A nice three days sailing! What a weekend.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Wally
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> From: Bill Effros
> > > >>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rummies observation
> > > >>>>> Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 12:28:38 -0400
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Nice try, Ed, but it won't wash.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> 1/2 the Louisiana National Guard was in Iraq--along
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>> with all of their meals
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> ready to eat, and most of their equipment. (We
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>> have now asked your friends
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> in France to send us food and water trucks.)
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>> Walmart immediately sent
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> water, but FEMA sent it back saying New Orleans
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>> didn't need it.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> The Director of Homeland Security and the Head of
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>> FEMA both said they
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> didn't even know there were 15,000 people totally
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>> at the mercy of roving
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> gangs within the New Orleans Convention Center at a
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>> time when news
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> organizations were reporting about it on national
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>> television from the site.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> The Governor and Mayor immediately called other
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>> states for help, and the
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> other Governors were ready to send, but W. was
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>> clearing brush in Texas,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Condi was shopping in NYC, -- (August is a vacation
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>> month) -- and there was
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> no one in DC to authorize the transfer of National
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>> Guard troops. (You see,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> the states can't just send their armed militias
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>> into other states, they've
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> got to get authorization from the Federal
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>> Government--which didn't happen.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> And why should it? "I don't think anyone
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>> anticipated the breach of the
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> levees" -- George W. Bush, Good Morning America,
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>> September 1, 2005.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> The USS Bataan has been moored in the Gulf since
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>> last Monday, basically
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> doing nothing. It can make 100,000 gallons of
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>> fresh water a day, it has 6
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> (unused) operating rooms, and hundreds of (empty)
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>> hospital beds, it's
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> supposed to have helicopters so all these resources
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>> can be made available
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> to people in disaster areas. It aided Tsunami
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>> victims...
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> PUH-leeze.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Bill Effros
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> PS -- This information comes to me, not from the
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>> New York Times, but from
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Fox News. Even Mr. Murdoch has had enough. It's
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>> fine to have an
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> orientation, but it's time to take your head out of
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>> the sand.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> ed kroposki wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Mr. Rummy, You want the Louisiana's Governors
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>> head to roll? But she is a
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>> liberal democrat! Where are your political
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>> loyalties? You know my
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>> orientation. The truth is she should have
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>> declared
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>> martial law the day before the storm. On the day
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>> of the storm she had
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>> responsibility to call for not only Louisiana
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>> National Guard but also out
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>> of
> > > >>>>>> state Guard assistance. There was another state
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>> Governor that said he had
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>> alerted his National Guard and was waiting for a
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>> phone call (or any other
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>> official method of request). How can you be in
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>> agreement with me? This
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>> is
> > > >>>>>> impossible. I will one up you. Both she and the
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>> Mayor of New Orleans
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>> ought to
> > > >>>>>> be tried for murder. I request that you be put on
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>> the jury. People were
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>> officially told to go to the Superdome and
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>> convention center and no
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>> security
> > > >>>>>> was in place. That was a major abdication of
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>> responsibility.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>> I have no problem holding those who accept high
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>> political office to
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>> a high standard or even just a reasonable
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>> standard. Why are you on the
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>> list, if I lived where you do, I would have been
> > > >>>>>> out in that cool breeze.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Ed K
> > > >>>>>> Greenville, SC, USA
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > > >>>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>> Behalf Of
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>> R22RumRunner at aol.com
> > > >>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 8:43 AM
> > > >>>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hurricane Katrina see
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>> latest track
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>> Thena,
> > > >>>>>> It is sooooo good to hear from you. I have been
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>> traveling for a family
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>> members wedding and just returned. The highest gas
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>> price we saw was $3.41
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>> per gallon. It was really frustrating watching
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>> the news and seeing all
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>> the
> > > >>>>>> people sitting around and nothing being done.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>> Some political heads are
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>> going to
> > > >>>>>> roll for this fiasco, starting with the
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>> governor's.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>> Rummy
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