[Rhodes22-list] P-Horse shit and drinking.
Bill Effros
bill at effros.com
Fri Sep 23 12:04:35 EDT 2005
Rik,
I have been addressing the how wide a freeway question for many years in
different forums. California's answer to this question -- as wide as it
takes -- has not worked. No surprise to me. I suspect, no surprise to you.
You are/were a trucker? What do you think?
The truckers lobby has worked hard to keep gasoline taxes earmarked for
road building. Do you think this is a good thing? No politics here. I
can see the issue from both sides.
Bill Effros
Rik Sandberg wrote:
> Bill,
>
> It'll be interesting to see if Wally thinks I disagreed with him.
>
> I wonder, just how wide do we have to build a freeway just incase we
> might have one major hurricane in in 20 or 30 years?
>
> Probably right about the proportions of horseshit vs drinking. :-)
>
> Rik
>
> Bill Effros wrote:
>
>> Rik,
>>
>> Wally said the government didn't learn because it's evacuation plans
>> hadn't been changed, but that he thought people would evacuate sooner
>> in the face of Rita, because citizens had learned.
>>
>> Initially I took the other position, but then I saw the AP story, and
>> said maybe I was wrong.
>>
>> As I understand what you have said, you are the one who is
>> disagreeing with Wally.
>>
>> Now, I'm sure Rummy will soon note that we seem to have our
>> proportions of horse shit and drinking reversed.
>>
>> Bill Effros
>>
>>
>> Rik Sandberg wrote:
>>
>>> Bill,
>>>
>>> You've got a pretty darn strange way of "agreeing"
>>>
>>>> "This is the worst planning I've ever seen," said Judie Anderson,
>>>> who covered just 45 miles in 12 hours after setting out from her
>>>> home in the Houston suburb of LaPorte. "They say we've learned a
>>>> lot from Hurricane Katrina. Well, you couldn't prove it by me."
>>>>
>>>> Bill Effros
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm with Wally. Didn't seem like "agreement" to me either.
>>>
>>> The gov't may have learned from Katrina, BUT it seems the people
>>> didn't. They all act like a herd of cattle all trying to squeeze
>>> through the barn door at the same time. Do any of them own a map?
>>> have they never thought that there are state highways and county and
>>> even township roads that go the same direction they want to go? No,
>>> a million of them just mindlessly head for the freeway and can't
>>> understand why there is a traffic problem.
>>>
>>> All this reliance on the gov't is turning people into a bunch of
>>> mindless idiots.
>>>
>>> OH MY GOD .... there I go .... blaming the victims again.
>>>
>>> Rik
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill Effros wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wally,
>>>>
>>>> I was agreeing with you. You made a point. I said I thought you
>>>> were wrong. Then I saw this story. Then I said maybe you were
>>>> right. Now you say I don't seem to understand....
>>>>
>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>
>>>> Wally Buck wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bill,
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess Julie Anderson hasn't learn much as well. There are always
>>>>> traffic jams when they evacuate large cities. The larger the
>>>>> population the bigger the problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> She is 45 miles away from Houston, the storm isn't due until
>>>>> tomorrow. Shut up and keep driving. It sounds like she will be
>>>>> safe. She is whining already and not a drop of rain. This just
>>>>> goes to show how difficult the task is.
>>>>>
>>>>> There will always be problems with an evacuation of this size. You
>>>>> don't seem to understand this. Nothing iis perfect. People are
>>>>> free to leave when ever they want. You don't have to wait for a
>>>>> government order.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wally
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>>>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] P-Horse shit and drinking.
>>>>>> Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 20:18:59 -0400
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wally,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe you were right. This from the Associated Press:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "This is the worst planning I've ever seen," said Judie Anderson,
>>>>>> who covered just 45 miles in 12 hours after setting out from her
>>>>>> home in the Houston suburb of LaPorte. "They say we've learned a
>>>>>> lot from Hurricane Katrina. Well, you couldn't prove it by me."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wally Buck wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I heard the mayors of Gavelston and Houston interviewed last
>>>>>>> night. They were asked what changes they made to evac plan post
>>>>>>> Katrina. The said basically none. They have spent years
>>>>>>> educating the public about the dangers of hurricanes. They
>>>>>>> talked about how hard they had trained for.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think the real lessons learned were from the citizens. I have
>>>>>>> a fealing people will take these storms more serioulsy in the
>>>>>>> future.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wally
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>>>>>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] P-Horse shit and drinking.
>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 09:48:22 -0400
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wally,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I did not mean to berate Herb, and I do understand how my
>>>>>>>> comments could have been taken that way, and for that I
>>>>>>>> apologize to Herb, and to the rest of the list.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What I was trying to say was that people on the scene can tell
>>>>>>>> us what they see, but that those first hand accounts should not
>>>>>>>> be confused with expertise about obscure laws that do not
>>>>>>>> apply, or a special knowledge of the sequence of events which
>>>>>>>> the observer did not see.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Blind Men and the Elephant.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am not blaming anyone for anything, except those who yell
>>>>>>>> "Blame Game" over and over to obscure the facts, and then start
>>>>>>>> flooding the Internet with completely false information. In my
>>>>>>>> view that is dangerous, and someone must speak out against it.
>>>>>>>> General Honore has done so, and I applaud him for it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The current situation with Rita is exactly the same as the
>>>>>>>> situation with Katrina was, this many days before the hurricane
>>>>>>>> hit. FEMA is in action. Local governments are doing their
>>>>>>>> best. Pre-determined evacuation plans are being implemented on
>>>>>>>> the local, state and federal levels. Things have been learned
>>>>>>>> in the intervening 3 weeks, they are being applied, and we will
>>>>>>>> surely have less loss of life this time around.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And that is the reason it is so important to get the facts
>>>>>>>> right, from the get-go, and not be lulled by a President who
>>>>>>>> says, wrongly, again and again, "There is plenty of time for us
>>>>>>>> to figure out what went wrong..." Well, there wasn't plenty of
>>>>>>>> time to figure out what went wrong, and luckily many people
>>>>>>>> started trying to figure it out and do something about it
>>>>>>>> immediately..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wally Buck wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bill,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Herb provided us a first hand account of what he witnessed.
>>>>>>>>> The man has been through hell and has still taken the time to
>>>>>>>>> help. Why are you berating him? He never claimed he was an
>>>>>>>>> expert.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I must admit I have to chuckly every time I see Busch on TV. I
>>>>>>>>> think the guy is a clown. However he did not cause this. Not
>>>>>>>>> to make light but in some ways the less hands on .....the less
>>>>>>>>> he will screw up.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It seems obvious that there wasn't a sound evacuation plan.
>>>>>>>>> This is a local issue not federal. If we focus on seeking
>>>>>>>>> blame this will happen again. If we focus on how local
>>>>>>>>> governments can better prepare for these type emergencies the
>>>>>>>>> citizens will be better off. If there were protocol issues fix
>>>>>>>>> them. Blaming Bush solves nothing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wally
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Horse shit and drinking.
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:47:12 -0400
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Driving a boat through muck does not qualify you as a
>>>>>>>>>> jurisdictional expert in Federal Emergency Management. What
>>>>>>>>>> you heard from people in the water, that they did what they
>>>>>>>>>> were supposed to do, is correct. However, FEMA must
>>>>>>>>>> coordinate the response to emergencies. That is its
>>>>>>>>>> mandate. They don't need to get permission from anyone
>>>>>>>>>> else--that's their job when emergencies occur.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> FEMA was like a deer in the headlights. First responders
>>>>>>>>>> were turned away by FEMA officials in New Orleans. This did
>>>>>>>>>> not happen in New York. I think we all agree that the heads
>>>>>>>>>> of FEMA were incompetent political cronies. They will be
>>>>>>>>>> gone. However, their superiors in the Federal Government did
>>>>>>>>>> not take this matter seriously enough to interrupt what they
>>>>>>>>>> were doing to oversee what was obviously a disaster.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just like local officials in New York, the local officials in
>>>>>>>>>> New Orleans did their best and screwed up. We lost 100s of
>>>>>>>>>> first responders here in NYC due to the incompetence of our
>>>>>>>>>> local politicians. But we saved thousands due to the prompt,
>>>>>>>>>> if not always correct, actions of the Federal Government.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Federal Government was on vacation this August, but,
>>>>>>>>>> unlike you, the individuals in positions of responsibility
>>>>>>>>>> did not take time off from their vacations to deal with an
>>>>>>>>>> emergency while it was happening.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is part of a trend that has been noted often before.
>>>>>>>>>> Let me point out, yet again, that on August 6, 2001 President
>>>>>>>>>> Bush received a memo from the CIA, while vacationing on his
>>>>>>>>>> ranch, entitled: "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US". The
>>>>>>>>>> President did not interrupt his vacation for that one, either.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You're leaving out one major factor in the comparison. The
>>>>>>>>>>> FAA has jurisdiction over flights. The Mayor of New Orleans
>>>>>>>>>>> has jurisdiction over the city, the Governor over the state
>>>>>>>>>>> of Louisiana. I'm going to repeat this, from what I heard at
>>>>>>>>>>> the scene, the Coast Guard in Alexandria was ready BEFORE
>>>>>>>>>>> the storm hit. Their services were offered to the state, the
>>>>>>>>>>> state declined, putting their game wardens in charge. Once
>>>>>>>>>>> the feds were released to act, they acted.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's a popular misconception for folks to talk about "not
>>>>>>>>>>> answering the phone" when the President is on "vacation." He
>>>>>>>>>>> has a phone when he's on vacation. He has an office when
>>>>>>>>>>> he's on vacation. It's that type of hyperbole that
>>>>>>>>>>> diminishes credibility for those that employ it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, I was on "vacation" when I was in New Orleans. I've got
>>>>>>>>>>> the pay stubs to prove it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Herb Parsons
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> S/V O'Jure
>>>>>>>>>>> 1976 O'Day 25
>>>>>>>>>>> Lake Grapevine, N TX
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> S/V Reve de Papa
>>>>>>>>>>> 1971 Coronado 35
>>>>>>>>>>> Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bill at effros.com 9/20/2005 8:09:56 AM >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In early 2001 FEMA identified the 3 most catastrophic
>>>>>>>>>>> situations it might some day have to address. They were:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 1. A terrorist attack on NYC.
>>>>>>>>>>> 2. A major earthquake in San Francisco.
>>>>>>>>>>> 3. A levee break in New Orleans.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On September 11, 2001, 37 minutes after the take-off of the
>>>>>>>>>>> first hijacked airplane, the FAA requested that military
>>>>>>>>>>> aircraft scramble to help deal with the known hijacking.
>>>>>>>>>>> Within 9 minutes there were military aircraft in the sky. 4
>>>>>>>>>>> minutes later, the military received notice that the
>>>>>>>>>>> airplane they were trying to find had just hit the World
>>>>>>>>>>> Trade Center. The President of the United States, on his
>>>>>>>>>>> way to a "Photo Op" in a school in Florida, was immediately
>>>>>>>>>>> informed. He told reporters before entering the school that
>>>>>>>>>>> he was aware of the fact that a plane had smashed into the
>>>>>>>>>>> World Trade Center. 3 minutes later the FAA determined that
>>>>>>>>>>> a second aircraft had been hijacked, and immediately the FAA
>>>>>>>>>>> began contacting and diverting airplanes. 7 minutes later a
>>>>>>>>>>> different FAA flight controller called a different military
>>>>>>>>>>> installation to request help. A minute later, another FAA
>>>>>>>>>>> flight controller, in yet another part of the country called
>>>>>>>>>>> another military unit to request aircraft be scrambled.
>>>>>>>>>>> None of these flight controllers knew that the others had
>>>>>>>>>>> acted. The military did not know that it had received
>>>>>>>>>>> multiple requests. 8 minutes later there were multiple
>>>>>>>>>>> military fighter jets over Long Island. 5 minutes later the
>>>>>>>>>>> fighters were moved over Manhattan. A minute later jets
>>>>>>>>>>> were scrambled from Langly AFB in Virginia and sent up to
>>>>>>>>>>> NYC because the fighters over NYC were running low on fuel.
>>>>>>>>>>> 8 minutes later the FAA closed all NYC airports. 4 minutes
>>>>>>>>>>> later the Port Authority of NYC closed all bridges and
>>>>>>>>>>> tunnels. 1 minute later the FAA told Dulles air controllers
>>>>>>>>>>> to watch for incoming hijacked aircraft. 4 minutes later
>>>>>>>>>>> the military established a combat air patrol over Manhattan,
>>>>>>>>>>> and, at the same time, the FAA grounded all aircraft all
>>>>>>>>>>> over the country. 5 minutes later, the President of the
>>>>>>>>>>> United States went on National TV to announce that the
>>>>>>>>>>> country had suffered "an apparent terrorist attack". 15
>>>>>>>>>>> minutes later the White House was evacuated. 12 minutes
>>>>>>>>>>> later the President left Florida for an Air Force Base in
>>>>>>>>>>> Louisiana. 9 minutes later the South Tower of the World
>>>>>>>>>>> Trade Center collapsed. 5 minutes later part of the
>>>>>>>>>>> Pentagon collapsed. 9 minutes later the UN building was
>>>>>>>>>>> evacuated. 15 minutes later the North Tower of the World
>>>>>>>>>>> Trade Center collapsed. 17 minutes later all Federal
>>>>>>>>>>> buildings in Washington DC were evacuated. 7 minutes later,
>>>>>>>>>>> all DC area airports were closed. 10 minutes later the
>>>>>>>>>>> Mayor of NYC ordered the evacuation of everyone south of the
>>>>>>>>>>> World Trade Center. 2 hours and 2 minutes later, the
>>>>>>>>>>> President of the United States, speaking from Barksdale AFB
>>>>>>>>>>> in Louisiana, said the US military has been put on high
>>>>>>>>>>> alert world wide. 44 minutes later the President of the
>>>>>>>>>>> United States flew to an Air Force base in Nebraska. 4
>>>>>>>>>>> hours and 53 minutes later, Defense Secretary Rumsfeld
>>>>>>>>>>> announced that the Pentagon had re-opened and was conducting
>>>>>>>>>>> business. 13 minutes later the President returned to the
>>>>>>>>>>> White House from Omaha, Nebraska. By this time, FEMA was on
>>>>>>>>>>> the ground, inside both New York City and Washington DC
>>>>>>>>>>> coordinating the nation's response to the disaster.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Now let's compare that response to the Federal Government's
>>>>>>>>>>> response to Hurricane Katrina.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, August 26 the State of Louisiana declared a state
>>>>>>>>>>> of emergency because it was clear that hurricane Katrina was
>>>>>>>>>>> going to strike somewhere on the Louisiana coast. FEMA was
>>>>>>>>>>> automatically notified.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, August 27, FEMA took no action to mitigate what
>>>>>>>>>>> was sure to be a major disaster somewhere on the Gulf Coast.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, August 28, the National Weather Service posted
>>>>>>>>>>> this warning under the headline :
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ''Hurricane Katrina. A most powerful hurricane with
>>>>>>>>>>> unprecedented strength.".
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Most of the area will be uninhabitable for weeks, perhaps
>>>>>>>>>>> longer...Power outages will last for weeks...Water shortages
>>>>>>>>>>> will make human suffering incredible by modern standards.''
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The warning had been written years earlier. Only the name
>>>>>>>>>>> of the hurricane was inserted at the last minute. There was
>>>>>>>>>>> no question that the hurricane would strike somewhere along
>>>>>>>>>>> the Gulf Coast of the United States, resulting in massive
>>>>>>>>>>> loss of life.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The President of the United States immediately issued a
>>>>>>>>>>> declaration of emergency for the Gulf Coast region. He also
>>>>>>>>>>> found time to cut a cake for John McCain, play a guitar for
>>>>>>>>>>> Mark Wills, deliver an address about V-J day, and stay at
>>>>>>>>>>> his ranch to continue his vacation.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The Mayor of New Orleans issued a mandatory evacuation order
>>>>>>>>>>> for the entire city.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 29, the hurricane hit, at 6:10 am narrowly
>>>>>>>>>>> missing New Orleans, but flattening several cities to the
>>>>>>>>>>> East. The loss of life in one small town in Mississippi was
>>>>>>>>>>> immediately known to be greater than the total loss of life
>>>>>>>>>>> resulting from 3 hurricanes that hit Florida the previous
>>>>>>>>>>> year which resulted in a massive and immediate federal
>>>>>>>>>>> disaster relief response just prior to a Presidential
>>>>>>>>>>> election in a state with 25 electoral votes.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 10,000 people who were unable to leave New Orleans were
>>>>>>>>>>> already being sheltered in the Superdome as part of the
>>>>>>>>>>> emergency evacuation procedure devised by disaster
>>>>>>>>>>> mitigation experts from FEMA. It was known that they had no
>>>>>>>>>>> food or water, and that it was the responsibility of FEMA to
>>>>>>>>>>> provide everything they would need to safely evacuate the
>>>>>>>>>>> victims.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The President remained on vacation. The head of FEMA went
>>>>>>>>>>> to Baton Rouge. The Vice President remained on vacation.
>>>>>>>>>>> The Head of Homeland security remained on vacation. The
>>>>>>>>>>> Secretary of State remained on vacation. Congress remained
>>>>>>>>>>> on vacation.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Local officials on the ground knew that their resources had
>>>>>>>>>>> been overwhelmed, and they knew they needed massive and
>>>>>>>>>>> immediate Federal assistance. Federal aid was the primary
>>>>>>>>>>> component of disaster response to a tragedy of this
>>>>>>>>>>> magnitude. But the Federal Government simply was not
>>>>>>>>>>> answering the phone. They were on vacation, and too busy.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Then the levee broke in New Orleans.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually Rummy, I don't live in another country, nor am I
>>>>>>>>>>>> basing what I say on watching "the news much". I spoke
>>>>>>>>>>>> personally with the commander on duty at the Coast Guard
>>>>>>>>>>>> staging area in Alexandria. He had the resources in place,
>>>>>>>>>>>> waiting in Alexandria. He was waiting for permission FROM
>>>>>>>>>>>> THE STATE to send them in. The STATE chose to have their
>>>>>>>>>>>> resources in place, namely the Louisiana Fish and Wildlife
>>>>>>>>>>>> Department (yep, that's right Governor Blanco chose to put
>>>>>>>>>>>> her state's game wardens in charge of recovery, instead of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the feds, who are trained to do that.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I was there friend, I saw it first hand. I saw the news
>>>>>>>>>>>> cameras on site at the barricades, in their air conditioned
>>>>>>>>>>>> portables studios. On the other hand, out in the streets,
>>>>>>>>>>>> there were a few print media folks, but very few. The only
>>>>>>>>>>>> video crew I saw "out in the field" was with the Air
>>>>>>>>>>>> National Guard. The rest of the folks didn't want to stray
>>>>>>>>>>>> far from their portable studios. And, in spite of your
>>>>>>>>>>>> absolute belief that it was the news media that brought
>>>>>>>>>>>> about change is as misguided and misinformed as the rest of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the nonsense you seem to be subscribing to.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But, that wasn't the point of what I was saying at all. My
>>>>>>>>>>>> point was folks can stand around pointing fingers at others
>>>>>>>>>>>> all they want, but that gets NOTHING done. Before anyone
>>>>>>>>>>>> complains about what someone else did or did not do, they
>>>>>>>>>>>> should ask themselves what THEY did.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I view the governments role to fill in where the
>>>>>>>>>>>> individuals can't (I can't personally build a highway, or
>>>>>>>>>>>> field an army), but that does NOT relieve the individual of
>>>>>>>>>>>> their duty when the need arises. I went to NO because I
>>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't be me and NOT go. My boss instructed me to stop
>>>>>>>>>>>> thanking him for letting me take off, that he did so
>>>>>>>>>>>> because it's what he had to do. My wife and children told
>>>>>>>>>>>> me to stop apologizing for missing my wife's 50 birthday
>>>>>>>>>>>> party, that they missed me, but that what I was doing was
>>>>>>>>>>>> more important.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Everywhere I went, and this isn't hearing it from a
>>>>>>>>>>>> television reporter looking for ratings, or an ex-first
>>>>>>>>>>>> lady trying to position herself for the next presidential
>>>>>>>>>>>> vacancy, EVERYWHERE I went, I saw people first hand doing
>>>>>>>>>>>> what they could do; whether it was giving me some gas cans
>>>>>>>>>>>> so we can put gas in our DUKW, or handing a baby to our
>>>>>>>>>>>> crew on the boat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> THAT my friend, is what "we" are. We AREN'T the whimpering
>>>>>>>>>>>> whining media, or the jostling politicians looking to gain
>>>>>>>>>>>> ratings numbers on the Neilson or the latest poll on the
>>>>>>>>>>>> backs of those that lost everything.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, and for whatever it's worth, I'm still getting in boat
>>>>>>>>>>>> time too. Mast going up got delayed by a few days because
>>>>>>>>>>>> of the trip, but it went up today. It had to, our sail club
>>>>>>>>>>>> is taking a group of handicapped kids out sailing this
>>>>>>>>>>>> weekend, and I committed and need to be ready.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> THAT's the country I live in, since you asked.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, go have your drink, and watch your game.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb Parsons
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> S/V O'Jure
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1976 O'Day 25
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lake Grapevine, N TX
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> S/V Reve de Papa
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1971 Coronado 35
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> R22RumRunner at aol.com 9/19/2005 8:54:09 PM >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>>>>>>>> You either live in a different country or don't watch the
>>>>>>>>>>>> news much. Our gov't sat on their collective hands and did
>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing for the people of NO for five, yes count them,
>>>>>>>>>>>> five days. And then it was only after the news media made
>>>>>>>>>>>> them look as stupid as they collectively are that they
>>>>>>>>>>>> decided to finally do something.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The governments own weather person said this was going to
>>>>>>>>>>>> be a devastating storm 24 hours before it struck. It
>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly had time to react, but no, those idiots in FEMA
>>>>>>>>>>>> (not trained in emergency management) didn't know what to
>>>>>>>>>>>> do. Hell, I could go on and on and rehash the same shit,
>>>>>>>>>>>> but I won't. There's more important things to attend to
>>>>>>>>>>>> tonight, like watching football and drinking. Remember, a
>>>>>>>>>>>> shot in the glass is better than one in the ass.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rummy
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