[Rhodes22-list] Anchors--French Decoder Ring Version

Sun Apr 16 12:29:16 EDT 2006

Alain,

Michael is one of the best sailors on this list, however he is dyslexic, 
and his written email must be run through a decoder ring provided to 
list members.  Unfortunately, we only have a Michael-to-English version, 
the Michael-to-French version is still under development.

Following is the product of the Michael-to-English decoder ring.  From 
now on, you're on your own:

"Speaking of that (the great debates)  :-) 

What is your feeling on the proper rode to use on an anchor?

The bottoms are sand, mud and gravel with 300 years worth of "junk" on the
bottom.

In the research of the debate, Google found a writing of yours that
recommended using an all rope rode due to the poor effects of chain.

On my boat I am using a spade model 60 AL, 22 feet of 1/4 chain and 200 feet
of 3/8 3 strand rope. Due you feel the chain is needed? 

mjm"

See, Alain, it's a tough crowd.  Jump in.

Bill Effros

Michel Meltzer wrote:
> Specking of that (the great rebates) :-)
>
> What is your feeling on the proper rode to use on an anchor?
>
> The bottoms are sand, mud and gravel with 300 years worth of "junk" on the
> bottom.
>
> In the research of the debate, Google found a writing of yours that
> recommended using an all rope rode due to the poor effects of chain.
>
> On my boat I am using a spade model 60 AL, 22 feet of 1/4 chain and 200 feet
> of 3/8 3 strand rope. Due you feel the chain is needed? 
>
> -mjm
>
>
>
>  
>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-
>> bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
>> Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 10:51 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchors
>>
>> Welcome, Alain,
>>
>> I hope you will stick around for a while.  Feel free to advertise your
>> anchor on this list in the course of explaining why you designed your
>> anchors the way you designed your anchors, and your anchoring
>> experiences.  Feel free to post text and pictures to the list that you
>> have posted elsewhere.
>>
>> Like most coastal cruisers (I sail on Long Island Sound) I knew very
>> little about, and avoided anchoring for years on end.  Last summer I
>> decided I should finally learn how to do it, and read everything I could
>> (including your very helpful notes) on the Internet.
>>
>> I have subscribed to PS for years, but have come to be dismayed by some
>> of their shoddy testing techniques.  Dragging anchors through the same
>> patch of sand or mud with a winch does not, in any way, simulate
>> comparative anchoring in real world situations.  The test favors heavy
>> anchors, plow shapes, and the first to be tested (before the bottom is
>> completely disturbed).  The anchor selection was completely arbitrary,
>> with some anchors weighing 5 times more than others.
>>
>> While PS often claims that it doesn't "take advertising" it does seem to
>> accept a lot of free gear which seems to wind up on the personal boats
>> of the testers.  West Marine, in particular, seems to have noticed that
>> the testers often have kind things to say about the gear that winds up
>> on their own personal boats.  Shortcomings that disqualify other
>> manufacturer's gear are often noted as just "shortcomings" on West
>> Marine gear.  The (very small staff of) testers know there will be more
>> gifts in the mail.
>>
>> We spent some considerable time debating my anchoring conclusions on
>> this list.  Your comments would be very welcome.  I will repost some of
>> our anchoring threads for your review.  Feel free to say what you really
>> think, and don't worry about offending people (like me) who you think
>> are way off the mark.
>>
>> Bill Effros
>>
>>
>>
>> First off, feel free to
>>
>> Alain POIRAUD wrote:
>>     
>>> Thanks Bill..
>>>
>>> Yes,  I'm also the designer of the Sword. :0) I have designed this last
>>>       
>> one,
>>     
>>> to answer the comments of many sailors who have been complaining about
>>>       
>> the
>>     
>>> price of the Spade. (regardless of the quality).
>>>
>>> Therefore, I have designed an anchor based on most of the principles of
>>>       
>> the
>>     
>>> Spade, but based on the same "low cost" manufacturing technology than
>>>       
>> our
>>     
>>> competitors..
>>>
>>>  As a result, the new SWORD's price , is only 40% of the one of the
>>>       
>> Spade
>>     
>>> anchor..
>>>
>>> I have also used some "new" ideas. As holding is related to the fluke
>>> surface area, I have removed the heavy lead ballast present on the tip
>>>       
>> of
>>     
>>> the Spade.. and use the spared weight to nearly DOUBLE the surface
>>>       
>> area..
>>     
>>> But WEIGHT on the tip,   is very important for the first part of the
>>> penetration process.. therefore I've used a very original idea, by
>>>       
>> moving
>>     
>>> the fixation of the shank, from backward .. to the first half of the
>>>       
>> fluke..
>>     
>>> and then, I use the weight of the shank as a ballast..
>>>
>>> I will not talk further about the characteristics of this new anchor as
>>>       
>> I
>>     
>>> don't want to make a "sales speech" here.. but I will be pleased to
>>>       
>> answer
>>     
>>> all technical questions.
>>>
>>> Coming back on PS anchor tests, during years.. they have done a very
>>>       
>> good
>>     
>>> job, testing anchors in different grounds (sand - mud) and testing the
>>> various parameters: Holding, but also penetration and veering tests..
>>>       
>> but
>>     
>>> you can't repeat  the same tests indefinitely..
>>>
>>> I don't believe that the latest tests have been conducted by the same
>>>       
>> team
>>     
>>> that did the previous ones.
>>>
>>> I've read many criticism about them, on several nautical forums.. and
>>>       
>> this
>>     
>>> is a pity as PS is the only magazine without ADVERTISING , and the only
>>>       
>> one
>>     
>>> which can do objective tests.. But they really need to stay
>>> "professionals"..
>>>
>>> Safe anchoring to all,
>>>
>>> Alain
>>>
>>> --
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>> t1344828.html#a3936889
>>     
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