[Rhodes22-list] Batteries

Wed Feb 1 10:40:44 EST 2006

Saroj,

This is from May, 2000.  I think Rummy installed the plain volt meter 
and has been totally satisfied with it:

Rummy,

I've got the Heart 10/Link 10 also and I love it.  It gives the exact
information you really want.  For example, your meter tells you you have 100
amp hours in your battery.  Your meter tells you your lights are drawing 10
amps.  How long can you run the lights before your battery is dead.
(Hint--the answer is not 10 hours.)  The meter will tell you how long you
can run the lights.  The manual explains why the answer is not 10 hours.

I read about Rhodes owners creating floating electric sub-stations with
another battery in every available space.  If they knew how many amps they
actually used and how fast they replaced them they would know they simply
don't need all the extra batteries.

My boat is on a mooring.  I have 2 solar panels.  My electric starting
Tohatsu puts more power back than it uses.  I use as much electricity as I
want.  I have never had to recharge the batteries outside the system.  The
Link 10 instantly and continuously tells me the voltage, amperage, amount of
power currently being used, and a pretty good estimate of how much longer I
can continue to use the amount of power currently being used.

I never have electrical anxiety.

It's a good system.  My meter is located above the breaker panel--a logical
location--the sensor must be located near the battery.

Bill Effros

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Meltzer" <mjm at meltzer.net>
To: <rhodes-list at sailnet.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 2:44 AM
Subject: Re: [rhodes] Question?

>> it cost alittle more but I think the hart 10 / link 10 will server you
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better,

>> less headaches and more intuitive functions, For a straight voltage meter
>  
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you

>> have to factor in voltage drop on the wire/meter run, besides it might
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take you

>> longer to install less storeys about how great the saying is  :-) 
>>
>> MJM
>>
>> JTonjes at aol.com wrote:
>>
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>>> > I'm going to be installing a DC voltage meter and was wondering if
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anyone

> > else has one and where they located it.
> >
> > Rummy

Saroj Gilbert wrote:

> Bill.. thanks for the info... yes, I did miss your link-10 ranting 
> (what's link-10?).. unfortunately I'm very busy with my work and don't 
> get to read all the list posts...
>
> Thanks,
> Saroj
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 7:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Batteries
>
>
>> Saroj,
>>
>> Sorry, poor editing, no switch, yes solar, yes elec start motor 
>> (which means I also have motor recharging bat.).
>>
>> I use Bat. power summer and winter -- Music playing constantly -- 
>> elec start every time I go out -- enough night time sailing -- 
>> although I save a lot of energy by constantly having lights out...
>>
>> Have you missed all my link-10 ranting?  If so, I'll find and repost 
>> a typical example.
>>
>> Bill Effros
>>
>> Saroj Gilbert wrote:
>>
>>> Bill... did you mean to say you have NO solar and never use your 
>>> battery to start the motor?  Is your motor your only means of 
>>> charging the batteries? Do you use battery power much?
>>>
>>> You do have a Xantrex meter apparently... what does this tell you?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Saroj
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 9:32 PM
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Batteries
>>>
>>>
>>>> Bob,
>>>>
>>>> How did you manage to do this?  Was one of the batteries damaged?  
>>>> Did you fail to add water to wet cells?  Wet cells?  Gel?  AGM?
>>>>
>>>> Link 10. -- Now Xantrex e-meter and this will never happen.  No 
>>>> excuse for it.
>>>>
>>>> I have 2 batteries connected, no switch, solar, elec start motor -- 
>>>> I have never, ever, needed a shore power charge, my batteries last 
>>>> for 6 years, I leave them in the boat summer and winter...been down 
>>>> this road before.
>>>>
>>>> KISS with a meter -- the meter tells you of a problem coming 6 
>>>> months before it happens --BTW, just to add fuel to another fire, I 
>>>> don't replace both batteries at the same time, I mix types, (one is 
>>>> AGM, one is Wet) I prefer wet cells all round -- I know what the 
>>>> magazines and west adviser say, I know the science behind it, but 
>>>> I'm a curious guy so I try it out in my boat when it's not critical 
>>>> and what I find is that on our boats with their minimal power needs 
>>>> it's really tough to drain well maintained batteries.
>>>>
>>>> How did you do it?
>>>>
>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>
>>>> Bob Keller wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I paid (overpaid?) someone to run cables from my electric start 
>>>>> motor to the battery under the port settee.  Then we connected 
>>>>> both batteries together and so now I charge both batteries with 
>>>>> the motor, and two solar panels and even have an electric charger 
>>>>> on board if needed. Guess what? My batteries are currently dead...
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, I vote with Chris who used jumper cables.  The cables in 
>>>>> my boat are big-but I don't know the size.  Lots of useful 
>>>>> information here, isn't there?
>>>>> Bob K
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Michel Meltzer <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
>>>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 mail list' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] 12 volt wire gauge from OB to Cabin 
>>>>>> (10'maxassumed)
>>>>>> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:33:35 -0500
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Been their before on the sizing, IIRC my run from the front(under 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> step) to the mount lungs was 16 feet each way(32 total) and the 
>>>>>> motor
>>>>>> had #8 wire leads for 8 feet each way(meant to go on the battery) 
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> another 16 feet worth, it a good trip,, because the batty is far 
>>>>>> away
>>>>>> the voltage regulator also gets effected on charging(i.e. the 
>>>>>> voltage
>>>>>> drop), after everything was said and done, #4 came out right and 
>>>>>> I used
>>>>>> #2 just to improve performance and all but handle a dead short. 
>>>>>> NOW #2
>>>>>> could be a PITA for getting it passed the bulkhead but I did not 
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> that issue. Using the breaker is just cheap insurance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -MJM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-
>>>>>> > bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of R22RumRunner at aol.com
>>>>>> > Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 12:47 PM
>>>>>> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 12 volt wire gauge from OB to Cabin
>>>>>> (10'
>>>>>> > maxassumed)
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Bill,
>>>>>> > Not necessarily true. Having to large a wire makes for difficult
>>>>>> handling,
>>>>>> > but also is a waste of money. Sizing the wire to the required
>>>>>> project
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> > always
>>>>>> >  the best way to go.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Rummy
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