[Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Design

Wed Feb 1 16:48:21 EST 2006

 The general boats boom room relies on support from the boom itself. It has 
~4-5 battens perpendicular to the boom that support the top of the 
structure. The Top awning then has 5 side panels that fully enclose it. Two 
on each side, and 1 across the back. The two forward side panels can either 
be solid canvas or have an alternate screen panel for warmer/drier days. The 
boom room velcros to the top of the pop top enclosure.

    Advantages: The boom adds much stability having the adjustments to be in 
any tension position by using a combination of the topping lift and the main 
sheet. one solid cover from the stern of the boat up to and including the 
pop top enclosure.

    Disadvantage: Wooden battens are limited with the amount of 
weight/pressure they can hold before they give.This boom room must be 
removed before going underway. However with a few minor adjustments we were 
able to motor with just the back panel and top awning in place. If you have 
a Bimini, it must be removed before the boom room can be put up.

Our seaward has both a self supportive bimini and dodger. The ideal 
situation would to have the bimini and dodger connect and have one solid 
awning from the front of the dodger to the back of the bimini. The seaward 
cannot have this design because the mainsheet is midshit between the cockpit 
and the cabin. HOWEVER on the Rhodes this design could be ideal because the 
main sheet is completely aft. Although, there is no dodger, the pop top 
enclosure could act as a "dodger" and connect to a bimini. I think what i am 
getting to that a design very much like Roger's Bimini Room is the ideal. A 
self supportive bimini with add on zipper side panels to form a bimini room. 
use stronger stainless steel to support the extra weight and windage. The 
boat is fully sailable with just the rear and side panels removed, left with 
the bimini and poptop and the connection piece between the two still up.

Any specific questions, i've only been half following the thread and have no 
caught allt he requests for what everyone is looking for. Just one more 
thing though- with snaps on the side of the boat....they become a bit of a 
challenge to attach from the interior so make sure the zipper design is so 
that that can be the last connection made and the outside snaps can be 
attached with ease.

Will Barry
wp.barry at att.net

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Design

> Thanks, again, Will,
>
> Could you put the boom room from the General Boats site on that page as
> well?  I have attached it.
>
> Stan mentions a "Boom Tent" on the site.  Does anyone have pictures of it?
>
> Rummy,
>
> Do you have any pictures of your set-up?
>
> Other's have mentioned rigs that they find perfectly satisfactory--any
> pictures?
>
> Slim,
>
> I have more shots of your Boom Room, but they are all small.  Do you
> have larger pictures?  Or is what I've got all there is?
>
> What I like about the PTE is that it is elegantly designed.  I can erect
> it in the dark in less than 5 minutes.  I can pack it up in less than 5
> minutes.  It fits perfectly.  It greatly increases the amount of
> interior space in the cabin.  It is nice to be inside, providing both
> privacy and openness.  Sometimes the windows are down, sometimes rolled
> up--everything is functional.  I don't hesitate to put it up.  It
> stores, ready to use, in a 3 ft x 3 ft x 9" space in the bow.  The
> "cabin" created by the PTE is far nicer than most cabins on most
> sailboats--regardless of size.  When you wake up in the morning in a
> quiet cove you think you might have died and gone to heaven.  You can
> hang out in it for a long time.
>
> I would like to get the same qualities from the Boom Room.  I have
> mentioned that an Aerobed fits perfectly in the cockpit space, creating
> the most comfortable bed you may ever have slept on.  I would like to be
> able to use it in a bug-free, dew-free environment -- and still wake up
> to that bright, airy, inviting feeling that the PTE provides.
>
> The right Boom Room, used in combination with the existing PTE, should
> create just about the finest coastal cruising boat in the world.  IMHO.
>
> (Around here there are a lot of big boats.  I used to let myself get
> conned into sleeping on them with friends.  They are more work than
> doing your taxes, and far less comfortable than a Motel 6.  The R-22 is
> actually comfortable.  It is really a pleasure to stay on board, you can
> get a great night's sleep, and you can have all the romantic moments you
> imagine you will have when you see the pictures of much larger sailboat
> interiors in magazines. -- I want the BR to make this experience even
> better.)
>
> Bill Effros
>
>
>
> William P. Barry, III wrote:
>
>> All Three can be compared at: http://www.rhodes22.org/wpb/biminiroom/
>>
>> Will Barry
>> wp.barry at att.net
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 12:51 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Design
>>
>>
>>> Thanks, Will,
>>>
>>> The more you can tell us, the better.
>>>
>>> Will's link shows Roger's Bimini Room, and Bulldog's Boom Room.
>>>
>>> I have attached Slim's Boom Room.
>>>
>>> The differences are pretty obvious.
>>>
>>> Bill Effros
>>>
>>> William P. Barry, III wrote:
>>>
>>>> Interested in Bimini Room Ideas: See current photos:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/wpb/biminiroom/
>>>>
>>>> Will Barry
>>>> wp.barry at att.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 11:30 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Design
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Bob,
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you know anything about in-field installation of snaps?  Do you
>>>>> envision "do-it-yourself" or professional installation?
>>>>>
>>>>> If only the boom supports the fabric you wind up with what some call
>>>>> a "boom-tent"--sort of a high pup tent over your cockpit.  If the
>>>>> boom is used like a ridge pole, then you need some sort of  "rafters"
>>>>> to make the "walls" of the room vertical.  This can be done by
>>>>> providing a frame, which is, I believe, the approach used in Slim's
>>>>> boat, or by draping rafters over the boom and securing
>>>>> them...somehow.  Some people seem to use line secured to stays to
>>>>> keep the roof angle from going down too sharply and depriving the
>>>>> room of a "roomy" feeling.
>>>>>
>>>>> Assembling and disassembling this structure takes time, and the poles
>>>>> take up space.  Stan would like the whole room to fit into a
>>>>> Rubbermaid Container.
>>>>>
>>>>> If there are poles holding up the sides of the room, what do the
>>>>> poles go into?
>>>>>
>>>>> Panels will take longer to assemble than a one piece job, and the
>>>>> resulting structure won't be as strong or tight.
>>>>>
>>>>> Slim, Will, Russell -- most of us have never seen a boom room except
>>>>> for your pictures and Stan's.  We are like the blind men and the
>>>>> elephant.  We know you like what you got, and we want something like
>>>>> that, too.  Your experience is most valued.  Please jump in.
>>>>>
>>>>> Stan will jump in when he gets ready.  He knows what has been right,
>>>>> and wrong with all of his previous attempts.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob Keller wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill,
>>>>>> My comments are in CAPS.
>>>>>> Bob K
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>>>>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>> To: R22 List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Design
>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:05:08 -0500
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Trying to summarize the cumulative wisdom on Boom Rooms, (and I
>>>>>>> know I can count on you to correct me if I got something wrong):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1.  We anticipate an add-on to the existing Pop Top Enclosure.
>>>>>>> GREAT!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2.  It won't be a "Bimini Room". GREAT
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3.  Fabric material, screens, windows will be similar to PTE. YES
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here are things we need to discuss:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 4.  The PTE-BR junction will be held together with Velcro (?) THAT
>>>>>>> MAKES SENSE
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 5.  What holds it up? THE BOOM IS THE MOST LOGICAL SUPPORT
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 6.  What holds what holds it up?  (Will this work on all boats?)
>>>>>>> THE BOOM AGAIN!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 7.  Panels or One Piece.  The BR might have more uses if it went
>>>>>>> up  PANELS SOUND BEST
>>>>>>> in panels.  One panel could be used as a sun shade if it could be
>>>>>>> mounted below the boom, and remained independent of the boom so it
>>>>>>> could be used instead of a Bimini while sailing.  Panels could be
>>>>>>> added over time to reduce the initial cost.  But the resulting
>>>>>>> structure wouldn't be as solid.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 8.  And how about:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On-site installation techniques -- Snaps must be added to boats? YES
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Multiple Use Considerations --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are removable battens in the fabric viable for structural support?
>>>>>>> SUPPORT PERPENDICULAR TO THE BOOM MUST BE STRONG BUT ARE CRITICAL
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can the stays be used for support? MAYBE
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can the topping lift be used for support? YES
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can the structure be tied down instead of snapped into position?  I
>>>>>>> WOULD PREFER SNAPS FOR SECURITY, SIMPLICITY AND A BETTER FIT.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It appears there are 4-5 somewhat solid orders for Boom Rooms.
>>>>>>> This is enough to make patterns, and commission work.  Stan is
>>>>>>> welcome to take whatever he wants from this deal, we just would
>>>>>>> like to get the best Boom Rooms that have ever been made.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dave will be going down to Edenton to make final decisions for his
>>>>>>> own boat, and to find out from Stan where he wants to be in the
>>>>>>> Boom Room Syndicate.  Any thoughts on this matter from anyone are
>>>>>>> welcome.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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