[Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Design

Wed Feb 1 22:25:07 EST 2006

Will,
Can do, and agreed it would be much better.  Support could be rigged from each side, in fact attached to the rails or the track (therefore adjustable) to peak at the end of the horizontal rail (upside-down V).  The front of the horizontal could attach to the rails supporting the poptop instead of the mast.  The top canopy could drape over the pop top with velcro.
I am certain this could be done at very reasonable cost.
Art

-----Original Message-----
>From: "William P. Barry, III" <wp.barry at att.net>
>Sent: Feb 1, 2006 7:38 PM
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Design
>
>If it had a center support similar to the cockpit table it would tend to be 
>in the way, Why not side supports as a bimini would use...specifically the 
>GB bimini's now have an attachment location which is flush with the deck so 
>that when not in use it is not in the way.
>
>Will Barry
>wp.barry at att.net
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Arthur H. Czerwonky" <czerwonky at earthlink.net>
>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:31 PM
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Design
>
>
>> Bill,
>> A boom room without some rigid SS poles or tubes would require significant 
>> alternative support to provide the interior space and shape most of us 
>> would really want in a cockpit located structure.  If the boom is the 
>> prime support for the roof and side curtains, the main could be used only 
>> if the poles are disconnected and stowed after using the room each time. 
>> Not really a big deal.
>> If the boat is sailed only under Genny, the poles do not need to be 
>> disconnected, and the boat now has a nice bimini, with or without curtains 
>> attached.
>> If the main is to be used, an additional pole needs to act as a 
>> alternative roof peak, parallel with and just below the working boom, 
>> providing both a bimini and room with rather simple deployment.  This 
>> horizontal pole would need a vertical support from the cockpit deck, 
>> probably anchored like the cockpit table. The forward end would sensibly 
>> be attached to the back of the mast.
>> Any thoughts?
>> Art
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>>From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>>>Sent: Jan 31, 2006 11:30 PM
>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Design
>>>
>>>Bob,
>>>
>>>Do you know anything about in-field installation of snaps?  Do you
>>>envision "do-it-yourself" or professional installation?
>>>
>>>If only the boom supports the fabric you wind up with what some call a
>>>"boom-tent"--sort of a high pup tent over your cockpit.  If the boom is
>>>used like a ridge pole, then you need some sort of  "rafters" to make
>>>the "walls" of the room vertical.  This can be done by providing a
>>>frame, which is, I believe, the approach used in Slim's boat, or by
>>>draping rafters over the boom and securing them...somehow.  Some people
>>>seem to use line secured to stays to keep the roof angle from going down
>>>too sharply and depriving the room of a "roomy" feeling.
>>>
>>>Assembling and disassembling this structure takes time, and the poles
>>>take up space.  Stan would like the whole room to fit into a Rubbermaid
>>>Container.
>>>
>>>If there are poles holding up the sides of the room, what do the poles
>>>go into?
>>>
>>>Panels will take longer to assemble than a one piece job, and the
>>>resulting structure won't be as strong or tight.
>>>
>>>Slim, Will, Russell -- most of us have never seen a boom room except for
>>>your pictures and Stan's.  We are like the blind men and the elephant.
>>>We know you like what you got, and we want something like that, too.
>>>Your experience is most valued.  Please jump in.
>>>
>>>Stan will jump in when he gets ready.  He knows what has been right, and
>>>wrong with all of his previous attempts.
>>>
>>>Bill Effros
>>>
>>>Bob Keller wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bill,
>>>> My comments are in CAPS.
>>>> Bob K
>>>>
>>>>> From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> To: R22 List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Design
>>>>> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:05:08 -0500
>>>>>
>>>>> Trying to summarize the cumulative wisdom on Boom Rooms, (and I know
>>>>> I can count on you to correct me if I got something wrong):
>>>>>
>>>>> 1.  We anticipate an add-on to the existing Pop Top Enclosure.  GREAT!
>>>>>
>>>>> 2.  It won't be a "Bimini Room". GREAT
>>>>>
>>>>> 3.  Fabric material, screens, windows will be similar to PTE. YES
>>>>>
>>>>> Here are things we need to discuss:
>>>>>
>>>>> 4.  The PTE-BR junction will be held together with Velcro (?) THAT
>>>>> MAKES SENSE
>>>>>
>>>>> 5.  What holds it up? THE BOOM IS THE MOST LOGICAL SUPPORT
>>>>>
>>>>> 6.  What holds what holds it up?  (Will this work on all boats?) THE
>>>>> BOOM AGAIN!
>>>>>
>>>>> 7.  Panels or One Piece.  The BR might have more uses if it went up
>>>>> PANELS SOUND BEST
>>>>> in panels.  One panel could be used as a sun shade if it could be
>>>>> mounted below the boom, and remained independent of the boom so it
>>>>> could be used instead of a Bimini while sailing.  Panels could be
>>>>> added over time to reduce the initial cost.  But the resulting
>>>>> structure wouldn't be as solid.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 8.  And how about:
>>>>>
>>>>> On-site installation techniques -- Snaps must be added to boats? YES
>>>>>
>>>>> Multiple Use Considerations --
>>>>>
>>>>> Are removable battens in the fabric viable for structural support?
>>>>> SUPPORT PERPENDICULAR TO THE BOOM MUST BE STRONG BUT ARE CRITICAL
>>>>>
>>>>> Can the stays be used for support? MAYBE
>>>>>
>>>>> Can the topping lift be used for support? YES
>>>>>
>>>>> Can the structure be tied down instead of snapped into position?  I
>>>>> WOULD PREFER SNAPS FOR SECURITY, SIMPLICITY AND A BETTER FIT.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It appears there are 4-5 somewhat solid orders for Boom Rooms.  This
>>>>> is enough to make patterns, and commission work.  Stan is welcome to
>>>>> take whatever he wants from this deal, we just would like to get the
>>>>> best Boom Rooms that have ever been made.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave will be going down to Edenton to make final decisions for his
>>>>> own boat, and to find out from Stan where he wants to be in the Boom
>>>>> Room Syndicate.  Any thoughts on this matter from anyone are welcome.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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