[Rhodes22-list] BR Frame

Fri Feb 3 12:26:25 EST 2006

Dave,
There is no doubt in my mind that the SS tubing is stronger and more durable.  I have kept a frame like I have described mounted over my boom for months at a time, nary a problem.  Thoughts?
Art

-----Original Message-----
>From: David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com>
>Sent: Feb 3, 2006 10:19 AM
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] BR Frame
>
>I don't really have any experience with it.  Stan seemed to think more
>strength was better for the roof frame.
>
>Dave
>
>On 2/3/06, Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>> Dave,
>>
>> What are the reasons for not using PVC?
>>
>> Easy to clean.  Easy to mark (Slim's markings showing where each piece
>> goes are very useful--I mark all my stuff, too.) Light weight.  Easy to
>> fabricate.
>>
>> Not as cool as stainless steel?
>>
>> It seems to me it would be easy enough to put threads on the ends of the
>> PVC and screw them together.
>>
>> I haven't done a whole lot of tenting, but I've done some PTEing, and as
>> solid as that rig is, I take down my Pop Top and remove the fabric when
>> the wind starts blowing.  Same is true of my mast and sails.  The BR
>> would be the first thing to come down, it has nearly as much surface
>> area as my main sail.
>>
>> I think one of the important things about sailing is knowing when to
>> reef, and reefing before you get in trouble.  I also think we would all
>> know when to take down the BR, irrespective of frame.
>>
>> Bill Effros
>>
>> Slim wrote:
>>
>> >Dave, et al,
>> >
>> >First of all, the PTE has us all kind of spoiled.  You just flop it over the
>> >pop top and snap it down--no poles, no wires, nothing.  Too cool!
>> >
>> >I've done a lot of tenting ever since I was a boy scout and I think I've
>> >used every kind of tent pole there is and I've spent many nights in some
>> >really bad weather in tents, including a tornado in northern MN.  Flexible
>> >frames seem to be the best overall for use, cost and storage.  Rigidity is
>> >the enemy when the wind picks up.  So yeah, I'm still in favor of the 1" PVC
>> >for this project.  What's not to like?  It'll hold up fine up to about 20 or
>> >more.  Above that, you should be taking it down no matter what kind of frame
>> >you have.  Difficult to uncouple?  No more than anything else and easier
>> >than most.  You spit on your hands and twist and pull.
>> >
>> >Slim
>> >
>> >On 2/2/06 7:35 PM, "David Bradley" <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>Slim, do you find that the PVC is difficult to uncouple?  If you were
>> >>starting new and had a choice of PVC, stainless, or aluminum, would
>> >>you choose PVC again?
>> >>
>> >>Dave Bradley
>> >>
>> >>On 2/2/06, Slim <salm at mn.rr.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>Art,
>> >>>
>> >>>What do you have against PVC?  It's sturdy, flexible, cheap, easily
>> >>>assembled and stowed and easy to replace.  I stash the frame on the shelf in
>> >>>the V-berth.  Where can you stow a hard SS frame and how much does it cost?
>> >>>
>> >>>Slim
>> >>>
>> >>>On 2/1/06 9:46 PM, "Arthur H. Czerwonky" <czerwonky at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>Ed,
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Try it, you might like it.  I would not attempt it with PVC pipe for the
>> >>>>frame, but I have with SS tubing. The 175 alone (or motoring without sail)
>> >>>>can
>> >>>>provide a pleasant outing.  The alternative of having to disassemble an
>> >>>>entire
>> >>>>room seems like alot of work if not mandatory and not desired.  Speaking of
>> >>>>adapting the Rhodes in this way, I frankly cannot remember this much
>> >>>>enthusiasm generated for an extra portable room on any sailboat.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>The point of sailing without removing the top frame is for cover from the
>> >>>>sun,
>> >>>>not to keep a 'room' in place underway.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>BTW, ask Rummy if the Rhodes could suffice as  a party barge, or a nice
>> >>>>week-long excursion boat.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Art
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>-----Original Message-----
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>From: "Tootle (sent by Nabble.com)" <lists at nabble.com>
>> >>>>>Sent: Feb 1, 2006 7:53 PM
>> >>>>>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> >>>>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Slim's Tool
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Slim,
>> >>>>>     So you used Stan's tool for grommets?  Then you are the one who made
>> >>>>>off
>> >>>>>with hole cutter?  He was wondering where it went:-)
>> >>>>>      If you go up north this time of the year, you will see a whole lot of
>> >>>>>boats that look like yours with the boom room.  They call it shrink wrap.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Art,
>> >>>>>     The Rhodes 22 is not a party barge, people put up a boom room to
>> >>>>>sleep,
>> >>>>>or stay out of the weather while partying privately.  I doubt any but you
>> >>>>>are
>> >>>>>concerned about sailing with a boom in place.  If you need that much room
>> >>>>>while you are sailing you need a 40 foot boat:-)  Now I concede that some
>> >>>>>may
>> >>>>>try after partying, but we both know they should stay put.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>MJM,
>> >>>>>     We are waiting on a report?  I bet the only stumbling block is that
>> >>>>>they
>> >>>>>have a non smoking environment?  Michael, how about adding video clips to
>> >>>>>the
>> >>>>>permitted attachments?  See what I mean under separate cover.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Ed K
>> >>>>>Greenville, SC, USA
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
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