[Rhodes22-list] BR Intellectual Property

Sat Feb 4 10:37:51 EST 2006

Todd,

Thanks, I'll check it out.  I have been able to do better on occasion, too.  I tried to project realistic "street" prices from a fabricator, which someone could expect if they were to purchase as a turn key package.  

What is striking to me is that the BR, like other projects we share, can be done better, for less, and we are willing to share our 'expert' insight on everything about this boat, BR or IMF or electrical layout, for everyone's benefit, and everyone will benefit.  Isn't that unique?  

Outboard FYI.  The Tohatsu I am using was $1675, no shipping, no tax from Porta-Bote.  The best I found.

Thanks again,
Art

-----Original Message-----
>From: Todd Tavares <sprocket80 at mail.com>
>Sent: Feb 3, 2006 11:10 PM
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] BR Intellectual Property
>
>Art,
>
>    I have no personal experience with either bimini tops or the boom room.  Check out http://www.outdoortextiles.com   You may get better prices that you had figured.  The owner Paul can be somewhat of an a**, but you will get pretty good prices.  He sells on e-bay too.
>
>Todd T.
>
>
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Arthur H. Czerwonky" <czerwonky at earthlink.net>
>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] BR Intellectual Property
>> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:11:11 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
>> 
>> 
>> Todd,
>> A good suggestion on the Bimini.  What bimini design is best (Brand 
>> & Model) for the Rhodes.  Are any made with SS supports?  Some have 
>> feelings about a bimini on a 22' sailboat, but does it really 
>> hinder cruising type sailing, or racing with the bimini stored.  I 
>> am more curious about actual experience than theory, speculation, 
>> or raw emotion.
>> Art
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Todd Tavares <sprocket80 at mail.com>
>> > Sent: Feb 3, 2006 4:35 PM
>> > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] BR Intellectual Property
>> >
>> > Bill,
>> >
>> >   Which Todd are you talking to?  We have at least a couple on 
>> > the list now.  I guess I'll have to start signing my last initial 
>> > from now on.    As far as the boom room design and any 
>> > intellectual property rights go...I personally am not involved in 
>> > this discussion.  I guess Brad's comment 'money talks and BS 
>> > walks' should sum it all up nicely.
>> >
>> >  It is funny though, how all of this talk of a boom room 
>> > syndicate quickly dissolved...especially when you mentioned 
>> > giving the design to Stan.  If boat owners want to give Stan 
>> > input and work with him on this, then that is fantastic. If you 
>> > want to act as an agent on spec for GBI,  (maybe Robert S. has a 
>> > cool Latin phrase for this ;-D)then more power to you.  The 
>> > question on most mind's here is probably not what portion of the 
>> > profit goes to Stan, but how much or what is Bill going to get 
>> > out of this whole thing?  I could tell you what I REALLY think 
>> > but ...it would cost ya.  I'd offer my opinion for the measly sum 
>> > of a signed copy of your book.  Not the one you are thinking 
>> > about.  The one about how to sell my house in five days.
>> >
>> >
>> > Todd T.
>> >
>> > Addendum; (Latin for PS?)  Seriously though, I think it makes 
>> > more sense to use Roger's design as a start.  Why have a bimini 
>> > AND a boom room?  In Rogers design, the framework of the bimini 
>> > does double duty.  It is just more efficient use of space, 
>> > materials and weight. IMHO
>> >
>> >
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
>> >> To: "R22 List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] BR Intellectual Property
>> >> Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:56:46 -0500
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Todd,
>> >>
>> >> Please help me here.
>> >>
>> >> As usual, Stan has taken a completely different approach to
>> >> Dodger/Awning construction from the traditional marine source approach.
>> >> Most of us have enough faith in Stan to accept his experience at face value.
>> >>
>> >> We are planning to take all of his experience and build from it a
>> >> low-cost highly useful addition to our boats.  Stan has graciously told
>> >> us which way to go, from the many possibilities.  For this he surely is
>> >> entitled to something.  What?  How do we give it to him?  Do we each pay
>> >> him a royalty if we build BRs based on his concepts?
>> >>
>> >> It looks like if each of us gets some PVC or another material if
>> >> preferred, we can each build a frame based on Stan's design.  We can
>> >> then each make panels that hang from that frame.  The panels can be made
>> >> of blue plastic, or anything else once we publish frame sizes and shapes.
>> >>
>> >> Which means each of us could have a BR this summer if we want one.  We
>> >> can pool our knowledge and come up with common specs for everything.  We
>> >> can improve panels and frames as we can afford to update.
>> >>
>> >> Stan would wind up owning the patterns, and specs for the room.  Over
>> >> time he could fabricate and sell things for less than any individual
>> >> could make the first one.  People could start with plans for a cheap
>> >> room, and graduate to more and more screened and clear panels as desired
>> >> over time.  If we are using the room, I would guess we would spring for
>> >> more expensive and versatile panels.
>> >>
>> >> What is a fair royalty for using Stan's concept?  How do we pay him?
>> >> This will, of course, be honor system.
>> >>
>> >> Bill Effros
>> >>
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