[Rhodes22-list] BR New Design

Tue Feb 7 13:14:13 EST 2006

Bill,

Actually I can and sometime do set up both PTE and BR at the same time.

I've seen those quick release shroud thingies.  They would certainly help.
On that note, I wish I could find one with an 8" throw to use on the forward
lowers and eliminate the extensions for raising and lowering the mast.

Slim

On 2/7/06 7:56 AM, "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com> wrote:

> Slim,
> 
> It appears that your PTE cannot be installed at the same time as your
> BR.  As I understand the new design, it will be possible to install the
> BR over the PTE, and still pass the "Drunk Chick Dark Test" (DCDT).  The
> new design will be something between your BR and the one featured on the
> R-22 site, which I have attached.  The PTE is mounted under the boom,
> the BR will be mounted over the boom.
> 
> I still see many times when I would prefer the speed and simplicity of
> the PTE, set at the last minute, to the more complex BR; and other times
> when I would want to set the BR, or Sun Shade, without the PTE, and
> still other times when I might want the PTE and BR at the same time
> (When one person is awake and another is asleep.)
> 
> When I set up my PTE early, I generally don't attach all the front
> snaps, or zip it up.  This allows me to continue using my hatches for
> ventilation until I go to sleep.  Some variation of this should be
> possible for the BR to allow re-entry to the cabin from the bow.
> 
> I have seen turnbuckles that open like a jackknife to release the
> tension without resetting the turnbuckle.  Sort of a quick release
> mechanism that  might be useful for this purpose.  Since turnbuckles
> just screw on and off the rigging, this might answer some of your
> concerns about set-up--they could easily be added to any rigging.
> 
> In any case, I would continue to carry both my PTE and my new design BR,
> and I would deploy both at different times.  If I didn't have either
> one, I don't know which I would buy first, but I think both should be
> designed so that neither requires the purchase of the other.  As we gain
> experience with them, we will better understand which device is used
> more often.
> 
> Um...about Roger's design...have you looked at it lately?  I have
> attached it, too.  When Stan said said "ugly is OK" I don't think he was
> picturing this in his mind.   Also, note the distance between the boom
> and the room.  This is a short person's boom room.  It seems to have bow
> entry problems of its own.  I don't think we have much to take from this
> design beyond the fact that the enclosure is useful and this design is
> not the way to go.
> 
> I'd love to see Art's design.  It sounds like a foundation for the
> direction we are heading.  I am trying to understand it better, and will
> take all the help I can get.
> 
> Integrating the PTE dodger design with your awning design looks like a
> natural, but apparently doesn't work.  The MacGregor version has only a
> fraction of the utility and coverage at 5 times Stan's projected cost.
> (Picture also attached.)
> 
> I agree that we still have assembly problems to address, but my
> inclination is to go in the direction recommended by Stan.  If I could
> buy a boom room like yours for $1000, I would do so in a heartbeat.
> 
> Bill Effros
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Slim wrote:
> 
>> OK, look, there's one thing that all agree upon--the pop top enclosure is
>> too good to be true.  I could go on and on about how easy it is to set up
>> and take down; doesn't require any frame; you can motor and/or sail with it
>> up; provides standing head room under cover; has roll-up storm flaps/screen
>> windows; easily stowable; is the first defense against the weather; already
>> beautifully engineered and available for about a grand.  What could be
>> better?
>> 
>> Then comes the cockpit extension.  The cockpit room extension of the PTE.
>> In my opinion, everyone who is interested in expanding the use of their boat
>> should have the PTE first.  Period.  Then why should the boom room make the
>> already-perfect PTE obsolete?  Why not integrate?
>> 
>> My guess would be that Stan wants to offer an either/or type of option so
>> you could either spend a grand on the PTE or spend a grand on the Boom
>> Room--your choice--but you won't have to spend two grand to enclose the
>> cockpit.  You could spend one grand for a stand-alone BR like mine.  But
>> since nobody DOESN'T want the PTE, or already has one, why not go from
>> there?  Sort of a step one and step two enclosure system.
>> 
>> The two inherent problems with my boom room are the issue with the shrouds
>> and access to the bow.  Stan seems to be sticking to that design.   Art's
>> design lacks those flaws.  So does Roger's.  Let's put the best feature of
>> each of them together and get rid of the problems.
>> 
>> It wouldn't take more than a couple zippers and some velcro to integrate a
>> boom tent to the PTE and make it splendid.  OK, so you have to spend two
>> grand for the whole thing.  Anybody complaining?  In theory, I wouldn't
>> hesitate to sell my stand-alone BR for what I've got in it ($500) and turn
>> around and spend a G on something else that's new and perfect.  Something
>> that can be set up by two drunk chicks in the dark!
>> 
>> Slim
>> 
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