[Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Review

Sun Feb 12 16:48:36 EST 2006

I was thinking of it over the boom the tie down are to hold it down from
under side, I was a little conserved that the "bow" would make a good
airfoil and might lift it, the other issue without a stiff side frame it
will "roll" side to side just sitting on the boom, the tiedown will keep
it centered, lower the cheff issues and help with wind again(it would
"shought" to one side otherwise. -mjm   

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-
> bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of William P. Barry, III
> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 4:10 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Review
> 
> Instead of fastening the boom room to the BOOM using the snaps...if
the
> boom
> room is placed on TOP of the boom it will be held up and the side
supports
> will keep it from falling off. This allows quicker assembly and its
not as
> awkward to try and fasten the snaps to the boom either. The
traveler/main
> sheet will keep the boom from moving off center either.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 3:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Review
> 
> 
> > Michael,
> >
> > Thanks, looks like a great non-answer.
> >
> > I've got to go out and make a dent in the snow.
> >
> > Will get back to this upon return.
> >
> > Bill Effros
> >
> > Michel Meltzer wrote:
> >
> >>Remember I have no "fat in the fire" for this one,
> >>I would forget that the PTE even exits, the issue I have is you will
> >>need the same locations that the PTE use to attach the snaps, you
have
> >>nice simple clean line if you attach every thing to the mast cabin
side
> >>/ forward the same way the PTE does. If you stop it early to meet
the
> >>PTE it will be a nightmare and you have very like hope for any type
of
> >>"rain proof"
> >>
> >>The boom is as a main support is a great idea, with the "straps"
holding
> >>it to it, BTW it would use those "turn sideway" clips you see on
sail
> >>covers vs Velcro.
> >>
> >>The toping lift will be a problem; I would replace the standard
"knot"
> >>with some type of clip so you can thread it thought the roof.
> >>
> >>
> >>Now for a new idea, I hope you are able to follow it:
> >>
> >>To support the roof, I would put a series of "folder able carbon
fiber
> >>tent rods" in the roof running port to starboard in "pockets" sween
into
> >>the roof underside, sized to match the outer hull shape(but trappers
in
> >>by the cabin to act like a PTE),  for example every foot fore to
aft.
> >>The rods only are in the roof.
> >>
> >>Think in terms of adjustable nylon straps, the one that connected to
the
> >>roof at one end, about 5 feet long, have a buckle to adjunct length
and
> >>a clip on the end.
> >>
> >>Next, there is no "stiff" side supports. I would take the straps
from
> >>the roof(assuming a strap where every rod end meets the roof) and
bring
> >>is to a small stainless footman at or below the outer hull rubrail,
just
> >>clip it on. The rubrail and hull corner should seal out bugs,  Then
> >>tighten(they are preset after the first use) to form a "bow" in the
> >>roof, nice shape to shed water and should hold up to any wind, what
also
> >>nice because most of it outside the hull there is "give" to adjust
to a
> >>boat. Us spans by the cabin, companion way like the PTE does now.
Stop
> >>the roof at the end of the boom and bring a set of strap down to the
> >>back deck, outside the rail and cut a slot for the tiller
> >>
> >>The strap are on the outside of the panels, they can passthought
simple
> >>pockets in the side panles to help with "flapping" in the wind.
> >>
> >>-mjm
> >>PS. How that for an non answer :-)
> >>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-
> >>>bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
> >>>Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 1:52 PM
> >>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Review
> >>>
> >>>Stan likes Slim's design--the whole cockpit plus cabin enclosure,
> >>>
> >>going
> >>
> >>>forward of the mast.
> >>>
> >>>People who already own PTEs seem to favor Art's design, which
covers
> >>>just the cockpit, and connects to the Pop Top, with or without the
> >>>enclosure depending on what it is to be used for.
> >>>
> >>>Both have removable panels.
> >>>
> >>>Slim's design would cost less for the entire shooting match.
> >>>
> >>>Art's design is easier to put up, doesn't block forward access, and
> >>>
> >>can
> >>
> >>>be built out of top quality materials for roughly $1,000.  It
should
> >>>
> >>be
> >>
> >>>possible to modify Art's design so it extends over the cabin, but
this
> >>>would add cost without providing owners of PTEs any additional
> >>>
> >>benefits
> >>
> >>>(that I can see.)
> >>>
> >>>What do you think?
> >>>
> >>>BTW -- do you have a boom room on the Seward?  If I understand
Art's
> >>>design, it could be modified for other high-boomed boats.
> >>>
> >>>Bill Effros
> >>>
> >>>Michel Meltzer wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Up to a point, what do you have in mind -mjm
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-
> >>>>>bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
> >>>>>Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 1:34 PM
> >>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >>>>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Review
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Michael,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Since we've got nothing better to do, have you been keeping up
with
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>the
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Boom Room discussion?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Bill Effros
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Michel Meltzer wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>I guess I live in the land of deckahance, the plow guy is due
:-)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>-mjm
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-
> >>>>>>>bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
> >>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 12:11 PM
> >>>>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] GPS, ---Ed
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Michael,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>It's time for my winter toy!  Time to bring out the little
backhoe
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>to
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>shovel the driveway.  Since my driveway is over 100 yards long,
it
> >>>>>>>really makes a difference.  This amount of snow will take a
couple
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>of
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>hours to shovel with the front end loader.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>As soon as the snow stops, I'll hop on my pony...actually it's
a
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>Kubota.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Bill Effros
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Michel Meltzer wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Did they put up the "home land defenses" posters btw you,
about
> >>>>>>>>
> >>the
> >>
> >>>>>>>>executions zones? Or was that executions zones :-) I thing we
are
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>going
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>to psycho ED out about sailing around here.  my question for
the
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>day,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>what about sailing a rhodes22 in a foot of snow. BTW I see you
> >>>>>>>>
> >>can
> >>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>post
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>so Greenwich did not have it power screwed yet :-)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>-mjm
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-
> >>>>>>>>>bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
> >>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:53 AM
> >>>>>>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] GPS, ---Ed
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>How about sonar?  To spot the subs?  Could rig a
fishfinder...
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Bill Effros
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Michel Meltzer wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Radar is overkill, but mostly due to price, size and power
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>draw.
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>-mjm
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>[mailto:rhodes22-list-
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Bodnar
> >>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:15 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] GPS, ---Ed
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>Ed,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>I think you are missing a point ... although I'm going to
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>defend
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>two.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>When I buy a new car, I option all the latest safety
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>equipment,
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>but
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>I'm
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>not planning for an accident.  I'm spending the bucks on
all
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>that
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>extra
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>equipment, so that if there is an accident, and if some one
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>should
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>get
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>hurt, I will know that we had the best chance of survival
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>available
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>at
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>the
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>time.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>Now I've been lucky, I've been out in fog only once, and we
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>decided
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>that
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>we would go out anyway to experience it.   It was an
excellent
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>learning
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>experience, not necessarily a good day sailing.  We took
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>precautions,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>by
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>sailing in relatively shallow water, (an R22 advantage) to
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>stay
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>out
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>of
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>the
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>way of faster more powerful boats.  As I said, a learning
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>experience;
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>which, I'm sure, will make us better prepared to handle fog
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>when
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>we
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>are
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>out on that clear sunny day in the middle of lake Erie and
the
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>fog
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>just
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>closes in.  At that time I will want the best equipment
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>available,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>and
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>I
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>will want a GPS to confirm my position and help me make
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>decisions
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>should I
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>be near the shipping channels.  If radar was practical on
an
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>R22,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>I'd
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>have
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>it.  However, I've just read about a radio transponder
system
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>that
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>commercial vessels are required to use, and monitoring it
with
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>a
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>MAPPING
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>GPS attached, sounds like a more reliable method of
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>identifying
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>big
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>ships
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>in the area.  As I said the best equipment available.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>The second point:  Boys and their toys.  Some of us take
pride
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>in
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>our
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>skills and accomplishments, in a minimalist fashion, and
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>others
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>of
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>us
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>get
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>great enjoyment in pressing buttons and watching little
teeny
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>boxes
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>do
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>magic  that wasn't even possible with a room full of
computers
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>using
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Kilo-
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>watts of power, a few short years ago.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>Dan Bodnar
> >>>>>>>>>>>S/V QOL (Quality of Life)
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>From: Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Feb 12, 2006 9:41 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] GPS, Wally, Mary Lou, big
spenders
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>The GPS is great, but how much GPS is necessary?  Is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>external
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>antenna
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>necessary on a Rhodes 22?  A good hand held is all that is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>necessary.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>The big bucks some want to spend for color wide screen
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>chartplotter
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>is
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>utter waste.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Wally do you have a mount with external antenna for your
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>kayak?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>For night sailing on Lake Hartwell we do not have one
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>lighthouse,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>especially
> >>>>>>>>>>>>not Michael's ten lighthouses.  Shipping channels?  Yea we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>have
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>a
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>main
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>channel but as Rummy will tell you about an affair with
the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Carver,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>they
> >>>>>>>>>>>>are the ones on autopilot, not the small boats.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>These newbies maybe should learn their boat before they
sail
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>in
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>fog,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>at
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>night
> >>>>>>>>>>>> or navigate at night or potentially foul weather far from
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>home
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>port.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>By that time
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the gear will be outdated.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> As for that Maine sailor who navigates around icebergs to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>his
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>island
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>retreat, his fellow
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Eskimos did it in kayaks without GPS.   Maybe he should
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>consider
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Eskimo day camp?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Those worried about getting struck need one of those
radar
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>units
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>with
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>hazard
> >>>>>>>>>>>> approching warning attached to good klaxon.  You know
like
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>on
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>a
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>submarine, dive, dive!
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Listen here:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>http://www.classic-car-accessories.co.uk/acatalog/soundtklaxonred
.h
> >>>>>>>
> >>t
> >>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>m
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>l
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> (Those units are available, but might have a large
battery
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>draw,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>where
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>is that spread sheet.)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Ed K
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Greenville, SC, USA
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>--
> >>>>>>>>>>>>View this message in context:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>http://www.nabble.com/Rhodes-22-in-fog-low-
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>visibility-Re%3A-GPS-reply-t1104918.html#a2896741
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Sent from the Rhodes22 forum at Nabble.com.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>__________________________________________________
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>
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