[Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Review

[Arthur H. Czerwonky]

Dave,

Can do, except I wouldn't trust any hinge arrangement I can imagine, and I don't know of such a hinge.  Rigidity is paramount.  I can do this another way, realistically as a 4' bundle.  I agree easier to store.  I wonder the beam to beam width at the wide end of the V-berth.  I'm sure at least 5'.  

The front curtain length not a problem.  Actually just continuing the top material would be more reliable and simpler, with less cost.  I will stay tuned in.

Art

-----Original Message-----
>From: David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com>
>Sent: Feb 13, 2006 9:29 AM
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Review
>
>Art, I wonder if we aren't hearing demand for two variations on your
>design?  One that integrates to the PTE, and one that assumes no PTE and
>covers the raised pop top.  In either case the side poles would still be the
>6' length and stay aft of the shrouds.  Maybe that front
>over-the-pop-top section could be a zip-in option?
>
>I agree with Michael -- I'd vote for a hinge in the side poles so it could
>roll up as a 3' bundle when stowed.  Much less intrusive when stored up
>front.  Would much prefer to store it in the cabin vs. under seat or in
>lazaret.
>
>Dave B.
>
>
>On 2/12/06, Michel Meltzer <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com> wrote:
>>
>> Like I said, no fat in this fire, the clip was so the toping lift could
>> be passed thought the roof, i.e, take off the toping lift, put it
>> thought a hole/flap, and reconnect. The resone I say to use the folding
>> rods is so the can be slid out, the fabric roled tight and everything
>> stuffed into a sail bag. Remember it is storged most of the time, keep
>> it small, Again forget about the PTE, you will simplify and your will
>> want to reuse their snaps locations. It a cleaner design, The other
>> issue the unit will have very little utility without a PTE going that
>> way.  so designing for it not a good design idea from the cost
>> standpoint.
>>
>> -MJM
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-
>> > bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Arthur H. Czerwonky
>> > Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 4:15 PM
>> > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Review
>> >
>> > Michael,
>> >
>> > There has been some confusion in not having a picture of my top only,
>> so I
>> > have taken one I will attach.  The front flap can be made to extend
>> > forward to the mast, snap to the PT, or attach to the front of the
>> PTE.
>> > Any additional cost to do this would be minimal.
>> >
>> > If you can see the frame structure, the top is tight and rigid, and
>> the
>> > side curtains are suspended on each of the four sides.  The result
>> should
>> > be as rainproof as it is possible to make a BR.
>> >
>> > I would not use the topping lift, instead clip securely to the back
>> stay.
>> > More secure  -  no midnight surprises!
>> >
>> > The back panel would need to have slots for tiller, etc, also a 'pass-
>> > through' to the ladder for swimming.
>> >
>> > Thanks for your input on this.
>> >
>> > Art
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > >From: Michel Meltzer <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
>> > >Sent: Feb 12, 2006 2:46 PM
>> > >To: 'The Rhodes 22 mail list' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Review
>> > >
>> > >Remember I have no "fat in the fire" for this one,
>> > >
>> > >I would forget that the PTE even exits, the issue I have is you will
>> > >need the same locations that the PTE use to attach the snaps, you
>> have
>> > >nice simple clean line if you attach every thing to the mast cabin
>> side
>> > >/ forward the same way the PTE does. If you stop it early to meet the
>> > >PTE it will be a nightmare and you have very like hope for any type
>> of
>> > >"rain proof"
>> > >
>> > >The boom is as a main support is a great idea, with the "straps"
>> holding
>> > >it to it, BTW it would use those "turn sideway" clips you see on sail
>> > >covers vs Velcro.
>> > >
>> > >The toping lift will be a problem; I would replace the standard
>> "knot"
>> > >with some type of clip so you can thread it thought the roof.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >Now for a new idea, I hope you are able to follow it:
>> > >
>> > >To support the roof, I would put a series of "folder able carbon
>> fiber
>> > >tent rods" in the roof running port to starboard in "pockets" sween
>> into
>> > >the roof underside, sized to match the outer hull shape(but trappers
>> in
>> > >by the cabin to act like a PTE),  for example every foot fore to aft.
>> > >The rods only are in the roof.
>> > >
>> > >Think in terms of adjustable nylon straps, the one that connected to
>> the
>> > >roof at one end, about 5 feet long, have a buckle to adjunct length
>> and
>> > >a clip on the end.
>> > >
>> > >Next, there is no "stiff" side supports. I would take the straps from
>> > >the roof(assuming a strap where every rod end meets the roof) and
>> bring
>> > >is to a small stainless footman at or below the outer hull rubrail,
>> just
>> > >clip it on. The rubrail and hull corner should seal out bugs,  Then
>> > >tighten(they are preset after the first use) to form a "bow" in the
>> > >roof, nice shape to shed water and should hold up to any wind, what
>> also
>> > >nice because most of it outside the hull there is "give" to adjust to
>> a
>> > >boat. Us spans by the cabin, companion way like the PTE does now.
>> Stop
>> > >the roof at the end of the boom and bring a set of strap down to the
>> > >back deck, outside the rail and cut a slot for the tiller
>> > >
>> > >The strap are on the outside of the panels, they can passthought
>> simple
>> > >pockets in the side panles to help with "flapping" in the wind.
>> > >
>> > >-mjm
>> > >PS. How that for an non answer :-)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> -----Original Message-----
>> > >> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-
>> > >> bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
>> > >> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 1:52 PM
>> > >> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Review
>> > >>
>> > >> Stan likes Slim's design--the whole cockpit plus cabin enclosure,
>> > >going
>> > >> forward of the mast.
>> > >>
>> > >> People who already own PTEs seem to favor Art's design, which
>> covers
>> > >> just the cockpit, and connects to the Pop Top, with or without the
>> > >> enclosure depending on what it is to be used for.
>> > >>
>> > >> Both have removable panels.
>> > >>
>> > >> Slim's design would cost less for the entire shooting match.
>> > >>
>> > >> Art's design is easier to put up, doesn't block forward access, and
>> > >can
>> > >> be built out of top quality materials for roughly $1,000.  It
>> should
>> > >be
>> > >> possible to modify Art's design so it extends over the cabin, but
>> this
>> > >> would add cost without providing owners of PTEs any additional
>> > >benefits
>> > >> (that I can see.)
>> > >>
>> > >> What do you think?
>> > >>
>> > >> BTW -- do you have a boom room on the Seward?  If I understand
>> Art's
>> > >> design, it could be modified for other high-boomed boats.
>> > >>
>> > >> Bill Effros
>> > >>
>> > >> Michel Meltzer wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> >Up to a point, what do you have in mind -mjm
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >>-----Original Message-----
>> > >> >>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-
>> > >> >>bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
>> > >> >>Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 1:34 PM
>> > >> >>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> > >> >>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Room Review
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>Michael,
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>Since we've got nothing better to do, have you been keeping up
>> with
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >the
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >>Boom Room discussion?
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>Bill Effros
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>Michel Meltzer wrote:
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>>I guess I live in the land of deckahance, the plow guy is due
>> :-)
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>-mjm
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>>-----Original Message-----
>> > >> >>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-
>> > >> >>>>bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
>> > >> >>>>Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 12:11 PM
>> > >> >>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> > >> >>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] GPS, ---Ed
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>>Michael,
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>>It's time for my winter toy!  Time to bring out the little
>> backhoe
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >to
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >>>>shovel the driveway.  Since my driveway is over 100 yards long,
>> it
>> > >> >>>>really makes a difference.  This amount of snow will take a
>> couple
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >of
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >>>>hours to shovel with the front end loader.
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>>As soon as the snow stops, I'll hop on my pony...actually it's
>> a
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>Kubota.
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>>Bill Effros
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>>Michel Meltzer wrote:
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>>>Did they put up the "home land defenses" posters btw you,
>> about
>> > >the
>> > >> >>>>>executions zones? Or was that executions zones :-) I thing we
>> are
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>going
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>>>to psycho ED out about sailing around here.  my question for
>> the
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >day,
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >>>>>what about sailing a rhodes22 in a foot of snow. BTW I see you
>> > >can
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>post
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>>>so Greenwich did not have it power screwed yet :-)
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>-mjm
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>> > >> >>>>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-
>> > >> >>>>>>bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
>> > >> >>>>>>Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:53 AM
>> > >> >>>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> > >> >>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] GPS, ---Ed
>> > >> >>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>How about sonar?  To spot the subs?  Could rig a
>> fishfinder...
>> > >> >>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>Bill Effros
>> > >> >>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>Michel Meltzer wrote:
>> > >> >>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>Radar is overkill, but mostly due to price, size and power
>> > >draw.
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>-mjm
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>> > >> >>>>>>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> > >[mailto:rhodes22-list-
>> > >> >>>>>>>>bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Bodnar
>> > >> >>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:15 AM
>> > >> >>>>>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> > >> >>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] GPS, ---Ed
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>Ed,
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>I think you are missing a point ... although I'm going to
>> > >defend
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>two.
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>When I buy a new car, I option all the latest safety
>> > >equipment,
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>but
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>I'm
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>not planning for an accident.  I'm spending the bucks on
>> all
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >that
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>extra
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>equipment, so that if there is an accident, and if some one
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >should
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>get
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>hurt, I will know that we had the best chance of survival
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>available
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>at
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>the
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>time.
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>Now I've been lucky, I've been out in fog only once, and we
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>decided
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>that
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>we would go out anyway to experience it.   It was an
>> excellent
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>learning
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>experience, not necessarily a good day sailing.  We took
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>precautions,
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>by
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>sailing in relatively shallow water, (an R22 advantage) to
>> > >stay
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>out
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>of
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>the
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>way of faster more powerful boats.  As I said, a learning
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>experience;
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>which, I'm sure, will make us better prepared to handle fog
>> > >when
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>we
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>are
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>out on that clear sunny day in the middle of lake Erie and
>> the
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >fog
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>just
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>closes in.  At that time I will want the best equipment
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >available,
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>and
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>I
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>will want a GPS to confirm my position and help me make
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >decisions
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>should I
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>be near the shipping channels.  If radar was practical on
>> an
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >R22,
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>I'd
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>have
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>it.  However, I've just read about a radio transponder
>> system
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >that
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>commercial vessels are required to use, and monitoring it
>> with
>> > >a
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>MAPPING
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>GPS attached, sounds like a more reliable method of
>> > >identifying
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>big
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>ships
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>in the area.  As I said the best equipment available.
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>The second point:  Boys and their toys.  Some of us take
>> pride
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >in
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>our
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>skills and accomplishments, in a minimalist fashion, and
>> > >others
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >of
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>us
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>get
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>great enjoyment in pressing buttons and watching little
>> teeny
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>boxes
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>do
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>magic  that wasn't even possible with a room full of
>> computers
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>using
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>Kilo-
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>watts of power, a few short years ago.
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>Dan Bodnar
>> > >> >>>>>>>>S/V QOL (Quality of Life)
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>From: Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>Sent: Feb 12, 2006 9:41 AM
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] GPS, Wally, Mary Lou, big
>> spenders
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>> The GPS is great, but how much GPS is necessary?  Is
>> > >external
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>antenna
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>> necessary on a Rhodes 22?  A good hand held is all that
>> is
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>necessary.
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>> The big bucks some want to spend for color wide screen
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>chartplotter
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>is
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>utter waste.
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>> Wally do you have a mount with external antenna for your
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>kayak?
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>> For night sailing on Lake Hartwell we do not have one
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>lighthouse,
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>especially
>> > >> >>>>>>>>> not Michael's ten lighthouses.  Shipping channels?  Yea
>> we
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>have
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>a
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>main
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>> channel but as Rummy will tell you about an affair with
>> the
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>Carver,
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>they
>> > >> >>>>>>>>> are the ones on autopilot, not the small boats.
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>> These newbies maybe should learn their boat before they
>> sail
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>in
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>fog,
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>at
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>night
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>  or navigate at night or potentially foul weather far
>> from
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>home
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>port.
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>By that time
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>  the gear will be outdated.
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>  As for that Maine sailor who navigates around icebergs
>> to
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >his
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>island
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>retreat, his fellow
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>  Eskimos did it in kayaks without GPS.   Maybe he should
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>consider
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>Eskimo day camp?
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>  Those worried about getting struck need one of those
>> radar
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>units
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>with
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>hazard
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>  approching warning attached to good klaxon.  You know
>> like
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >on
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>a
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>submarine, dive, dive!
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>  Listen here:
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>
>> >
>> >>>>>>http://www.classic-car-accessories.co.uk/acatalog/soundtklaxonred.
>> h
>> > >t
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >m
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>
>> > >> >>>l
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>  (Those units are available, but might have a large
>> battery
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>draw,
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>where
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>is that spread sheet.)
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>Ed K
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>Greenville, SC, USA
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>--
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>View this message in context:
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>http://www.nabble.com/Rhodes-22-in-fog-low-
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>visibility-Re%3A-GPS-reply-t1104918.html#a2896741
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>Sent from the Rhodes22 forum at Nabble.com.
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>__________________________________________________
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>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>__________________________________________________
>> > >> >>>>>>>>Use Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>__________________________________________________
>> > >> >>>>>>>Use Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org, Help? www.rhodes22.org/list
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>__________________________________________________
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>> > >> >>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>
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>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
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