[Rhodes22-list] Heave-To

Sat Jan 14 16:13:24 EST 2006

Peter,

I wrote up lots of stuff the summer I was heaving-to.  I'll have to find 
it back, edit it, and repost, which I will do ASAP.

Bill Effros

Peter Thorn wrote:

>Bill,
>
>Okay, I'll bite. Exactly how do you do that?
>
>I'm very familiar heaving to on a Tanzer 16.  We heave to in medium to heavy
>air by tacking the boat, but not the jib.  The jib ends up sheeted to
>windward and covers the slot.  Nothing is furled, but everything settles
>down nicely and it's lunchtime.
>
>Is your R22 procedure similar?
>
>How can you set up the boat to settle down so you can go below in 30 knots?
>
>PT
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 2:47 PM
>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Heave-To
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>>Peter,
>>
>>Any time I find myself on the water in winds over 30 kts. I will
>>heave-to.  Let the wind work for you instead of against you.  I won't
>>anchor; I won't storm anchor; I won't drogue.  I won't fight the wind.
>>I consider it a losing battle.  Anchor considerations in high winds are
>>only (as far as I'm concerned) for when you're not on your boat.
>>
>>When hove-to, the high freeboard on a Rhodes actually works for you, not
>>against you.  I spent a summer heaving-to.  It might have been before
>>you joined the list.  I highly recommend it for the things you seem to
>>be most worried about.  You can do it for days on end, if need be.  You
>>can set it and retreat to the cabin.  The boat remains calm and peaceful
>>even in awful storms.  It's like creating a situation where you remain
>>in the eye of the hurricane.
>>
>>Bill Effros
>>
>>Peter Thorn wrote:
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>>>Hi Mary Lou,
>>>
>>>It's quite windy and blowing in cold here and could get as low as 28
>>>tonight!   My skipper cancelled the NYRA winter series racing at
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>Blackbeard
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>>>SC on the Neuse River, so I spent most of the morning messing around with
>>>that Anchor Catenary program Ron attached.
>>>
>>>Using my imagined problem of being stuck out in the Pamlico, out of sight
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>of
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>>>land, in 20' of water over a muck bottom, using Raven's storm anchor
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>(FX11,
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>>>16' chain, 150' 3/8" three stand nylon all out), and setting the Kellet
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>at
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>>>75', here are the results:
>>>
>>>       Kellet = 0#  =  95.2#
>>>       Kellet = 10  = 131.5
>>>       Kellet = 20  = 168.0
>>>
>>>Now it's just a matter of trying to figure out what these results
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>actually
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>>>mean.  I'm a builder, not a genius.  My guess is that, with the catenary
>>>shape described by the graph shown on the catenary analyzer program,
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>those
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>>>are the various horizontal thrust forces holding each particular catenary
>>>profile shape in equilibrium against an infinitely strong anchor.  So, a
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>10#
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>>>Kellet provides a 38% increase and a 20# Kellet provides a 76% increase
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>in
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>>>the force needed to hold each's catenary shape versus no Kellet at all.
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>If
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>>>my guess is right, then a Kellet does help quite a bit, adding
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>significantly
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>>>to the "shock absorber effect" Rik wrote about.
>>>
>>>Yes, we use a 10# steel mushroom anchor on 3/8 nylon as a lunch hook.
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>Works
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>>>well in any mud bottom and doesn't seem to snag on the stumps in Kerr
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>Lake
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>>>the Army Corp of Engineers forgot to grub out before they filled the lake
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>in
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>>>the '60s.
>>>
>>>So... I'm thinking about modifying the 10# mushroom anchor with another
>>>quick link (through its nylon rode eye) and a big S hook to ride down the
>>>storm anchor rode as a make-shift Kellet.  This capital investment might
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>be
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>>>a whopping $5, so there's not much to loose by trying.  A possible
>>>enhancement is to melt down some lead tire weights on a Coleman stove
>>>outside and pour 2 or 3 cups of hot lead weight into the mushroom bell.
>>>Maybe that's too obsessive-- even for me.
>>>
>>>The big worry is getting caught halfway to Ocracoke in a summer storm.
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>Out
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>>>in the middle you lose sight of land for about an hour and there's no
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>place
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>>>to hide.  The wind driven waves are short and square.  They come up fast,
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>so
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>>>having a method ready to keep the bow to the wind would be very good
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>indeed.
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>>>That Boy Scout training never goes away.
>>>
>>>Late last October at Silver Lake on Ocracoke at 5:30am a local storm hit
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>our
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>>>trailer sailor group.  55 Knot winds were reported on WX.  Raven, with
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>the
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>>>pop top cover up, heeled 30 degrees against her docklines.  It was gone
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>in
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>>>30 minutes, but imagine being out in that!
>>>
>>>PT
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>From: "Mary Lou Troy" <mltroy at verizon.net>
>>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 11:41 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] anchoring obsession
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>>Peter,
>>>>My purely theoretical take on this - having never used a kellet, is that
>>>>
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>>>it
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>>>>might help - particularly if the winds were not very steady or if there
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>>>was
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>>>>wave action.
>>>>
>>>>Have you used the mushroom much as a lunch hook?
>>>>
>>>>Mary Lou
>>>>1991 R22 Fretless
>>>>Ft. Washington, PA / Swan Creek, MD
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>At 04:29 PM 1/13/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>>>>
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>>>>>GlacierRon, Dave, Bill or anybody:
>>>>>
>>>>>You have me thinking about anchors and not getting any work done  :)
>>>>>
>>>>>Suppose I'm out in the Pamlico Sound, with it's mucky bottom in 20' of
>>>>>
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>>>water
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>>>
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>>>>>and a squall comes up.  Would it help to use the lunch hook, a 10#
>>>>>          
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>steel
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>>>>>mushroom anchor with a 3/8" nylon rode, as a Kellet  shackled to the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>storm
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>>>>>anchor rode?   The storm anchor is FX11 Fortress with 16' of 1/4" proof
>>>>>
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>>>coil
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>>>>>chain plus 3/8" three strand nylon rode?  Or, could it just make things
>>>>>worse?
>>>>>
>>>>>Any thoughts welcome.
>>>>>
>>>>>PT
>>>>>
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