[Rhodes22-list] Reply to Captain Dave Bradley

Wed Jan 25 09:47:12 EST 2006

Hi Dave,

Thanks for the welcome.  Since I'm looking at a recycled boat,
I was inquiring about the differences between
the semi-enclosed floorplan, and the powder room floorplan on a newer
boat.  GB can upgrade to the powder room, but, I was wondering if it
is worth doing.  It sounds like they are pretty close.  I'll probably
go with the marine head, the port-o-potties seem too small for all but
2 people, and 1 overnight, and no #2's if you know what I mean....
but, since I'm trailering most of the time,
I wonder how to empty the tank if i'm not at a marina....  I think
campsites sewers are gravity fed  ie.  campers pull up and hook up
and dump by gravity.  Sounds like the boat has to be pumped....

-- Jeff 

On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 16:35:48 -0500, David Bradley wrote
> Jeff, welcome.  I'm also a relative newbie -- my new R22 will be delivered
> in March.  As mentioned, there was a considerable exchange on this 
> topic a couple of months ago.  At the end of the day of course it's 
> all about personal preference, but a number of factors were raised.  
> Are you on a mooring where it is harder to transport a porta tank, 
> or at a slip where it's easier?  How accessible are pump out 
> facilities?  We opted for a marine head because we'll be at a 
> mooring and there is a pump out service in our harbor.
> 
> Also, the book, *Sailing Small* is a very enjoyable read, and Mary Lou's
> chapter on weekend cruising in a Rhodes 22 is great.  I highly recommend
> it!  I'm also just finishing *Nigel Calder's Cruising Handbook*, 
> which, although geared more to offshore cruising, is loaded with 
> information I found useful as a first-time owner of anything over 17'.
> 
> Dave Bradley
> 
> On 1/24/06, Mary Lou Troy <mltroy at verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > Jeff,
> > Someone asked a similar question a while back. The question I was
> > answering
> > was requesting more a comparison of installed marine heads vs. porta
> > poties
> > but this is what I replied then:
> > "To quote from "Sailing Small", "we decided that the cabin seemed roomier
> > in the boats with a semi-enclosed head. We chose a portable toilet because
> > it was simpler than a marine head. While pumpouts are widely available on
> > the Chesapeake, there is always the chance we might want to trailer to
> > places where pumpouts are unavailable. The portable toilet is easy enough
> > to bring home to clean and we don't have to bother with fixing head
> > problems at the marina."
> >
> > The more time we spend a marina with big boats, the happier I am with the
> > portable toilet. People see to be always fixing head problems. We don't
> > have any. Most of the time we just bring the head home to empty it. It
> > takes only a minute or two to empty it and give it a good rinse. If we are
> > out cruising, we generally stop every second or third day to stay at a
> > marina, get a shower and empty the head. If we plan to be out longer, we
> > do
> > have an extra bottom with the holding tank for our portable toilet. It
> > doubles the length of time we can be out."
> >
> > If you are concerned about the space - it is really a matter of personal
> > preference and that may be governed by how you expect to use the boat. If
> > you are just going to be using the head on daysails, it may not matter
> > much
> > either way. We live aboard the boat most weekends from April through
> > October and we wanted every inch of space in the cabin. We use the v-berth
> > for storage and sleep in the cabin and found a way to make the
> > semi-enclosed head fairly accessible. I'm not sure how the enclosed head
> > works with the cabin berth set up You should take a look at both layouts.
> > Fretless (with the semi-enclosed head) is in our backyard here in Fort
> > Washington PA and you are welcome to come take a look.
> >
> > BTW, the book I was referring to is "Sailing Small: Inspiration and
> > Instruction for the Pocket Cruiser" edited by Stan Grayson, Devereux
> > Books.
> > I wrote Ch 5.
> >
> > Mary Lou
> > 1991 R22 Fretless
> > Ft. Washington, PA / Swan Creek, MD
> >
> >
> > At 09:05 AM 1/24/2006 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Hi Ed,
> > >
> > >I'm here the Lehigh Valley of Pa, impatiently waiting for winter to pass
> > by.
> > >I have a first mate, and several crew members. I hope to spend most of
> > >my time in the Finger Lakes of NY (Lake Cayuga). I'm located about 2.5hrs
> > >from Raystown Lake in Pa, and about the same from the Chesapeake, and a
> > little
> > >less from NJ shore.  There are several smaller lakes close by that have
> > 23'
> > >restrictions, so, the Rhodes fits in these also.
> > >Yes, I'm looking for a good sailing school to get the
> > >basic keelboat certification, so, thanks for the information.
> > >
> > >Although the port-o-pottie vs. head discussion was very interesting,
> > >Actually, I was wondering if there was a difference in the floorplan
> > >of the semi-enclose head, vs. the enclosed head.
> > >My first mate thinks the powder room is the way to go also...
> > >
> > >I'll try out the search engine.
> > >
> > >-- Jeff
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:53:27 -0800 (PST), Tootle (sent by Nabble.com)
> > wrote
> > > > Jeff:
> > > >      Welcome aboard.  Did you pickup the flotsam directed at Captain
> > > > Larry walker?  Commodore Bob Weber runs a real ASA sailing school,
> > > > see:  http://www.odysseysailing.com/favorite.htm  I have been trying
> > > > for years to get him to blow his fog horn.  He is halfway getting
> > > > there, but needs to give his site.     Looking at a '88 recycle?
> > > >  Hum, do we know another '88 on these waters.  I have a 84 with the
> > > > portapottie set up behind the bulkhead.  Having seen the newer
> > > > enclosed heads, I recommend the powder room.       You ought to
> > > > learn how to search the archives.  We recently had a good discussion
> > > > of marine head versus portapottie.  See:
> > > >  http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2006-
> > > > January/028274.html for searching instructions.        I noticed
> > > > that you jumped in without telling us where you are, do you have a
> > > > first mate, you know the important things.  Have you looked at:
> > > > http://www.frappr.com/rhodes22  For some unknown reason it is hard
> > > > to get people to post their location.  There are many more Rhodies
> > > > out there than are on the Frapper site.  We even have bashful
> > > > Rhodies in Canada, imagine that.
> > > >
> > > > Ed K
> > > > Greenville, SC, USA
> > > > http://www.sas.usace.army.mil/lakes/hartwell/
> > > >
> > > > --
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> > > > Walker-t975927.html#a2547461 Sent from the Rhodes22 forum at
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