[Rhodes22-list] Reply to Jeff

Thu Jan 26 02:06:23 EST 2006

Andrew, is that Grass Island as in Greenwich, CT?  If so, I'm right up the
road in OG, with a mooring in Greenwich Cove.

Dave

On 1/25/06, andrew collins <engineerpac at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dave -
>
> We are newbies getting our first Rhodes, a recycled '86, and will be
> mooring
> it at Grass Island. Delivery date unknown. We also opted for the enclosed
> marine head due to the fact that it will be moored, and there is a pump
> out
> station there. I was not up to trying to handle a porta potty without a
> slip.
> Andrew
>
> On 1/25/06, David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Jeff, I think if you check with the marinas in your area they can tell
> you
> > about pump out services.  We went with the fully encolsed head.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > On 1/25/06, jherbert <jherbert at entermail.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Dave,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the welcome.  Since I'm looking at a recycled boat,
> > > I was inquiring about the differences between
> > > the semi-enclosed floorplan, and the powder room floorplan on a newer
> > > boat.  GB can upgrade to the powder room, but, I was wondering if it
> > > is worth doing.  It sounds like they are pretty close.  I'll probably
> > > go with the marine head, the port-o-potties seem too small for all but
> > > 2 people, and 1 overnight, and no #2's if you know what I mean....
> > > but, since I'm trailering most of the time,
> > > I wonder how to empty the tank if i'm not at a marina....  I think
> > > campsites sewers are gravity fed  ie.  campers pull up and hook up
> > > and dump by gravity.  Sounds like the boat has to be pumped....
> > >
> > > -- Jeff
> > >
> > > On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 16:35:48 -0500, David Bradley wrote
> > > > Jeff, welcome.  I'm also a relative newbie -- my new R22 will be
> > > delivered
> > > > in March.  As mentioned, there was a considerable exchange on this
> > > > topic a couple of months ago.  At the end of the day of course it's
> > > > all about personal preference, but a number of factors were raised.
> > > > Are you on a mooring where it is harder to transport a porta tank,
> > > > or at a slip where it's easier?  How accessible are pump out
> > > > facilities?  We opted for a marine head because we'll be at a
> > > > mooring and there is a pump out service in our harbor.
> > > >
> > > > Also, the book, *Sailing Small* is a very enjoyable read, and Mary
> > Lou's
> > > > chapter on weekend cruising in a Rhodes 22 is great.  I highly
> > recommend
> > > > it!  I'm also just finishing *Nigel Calder's Cruising Handbook*,
> > > > which, although geared more to offshore cruising, is loaded with
> > > > information I found useful as a first-time owner of anything over
> 17'.
> > > >
> > > > Dave Bradley
> > > >
> > > > On 1/24/06, Mary Lou Troy <mltroy at verizon.net> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeff,
> > > > > Someone asked a similar question a while back. The question I was
> > > > > answering
> > > > > was requesting more a comparison of installed marine heads vs.
> porta
> > > > > poties
> > > > > but this is what I replied then:
> > > > > "To quote from "Sailing Small", "we decided that the cabin seemed
> > > roomier
> > > > > in the boats with a semi-enclosed head. We chose a portable toilet
> > > because
> > > > > it was simpler than a marine head. While pumpouts are widely
> > available
> > > on
> > > > > the Chesapeake, there is always the chance we might want to
> trailer
> > to
> > > > > places where pumpouts are unavailable. The portable toilet is easy
> > > enough
> > > > > to bring home to clean and we don't have to bother with fixing
> head
> > > > > problems at the marina."
> > > > >
> > > > > The more time we spend a marina with big boats, the happier I am
> > with
> > > the
> > > > > portable toilet. People see to be always fixing head problems. We
> > > don't
> > > > > have any. Most of the time we just bring the head home to empty
> it.
> > It
> > > > > takes only a minute or two to empty it and give it a good rinse.
> If
> > we
> > > are
> > > > > out cruising, we generally stop every second or third day to stay
> at
> > a
> > > > > marina, get a shower and empty the head. If we plan to be out
> > longer,
> > > we
> > > > > do
> > > > > have an extra bottom with the holding tank for our portable
> toilet.
> > It
> > > > > doubles the length of time we can be out."
> > > > >
> > > > > If you are concerned about the space - it is really a matter of
> > > personal
> > > > > preference and that may be governed by how you expect to use the
> > boat.
> > > If
> > > > > you are just going to be using the head on daysails, it may not
> > matter
> > > > > much
> > > > > either way. We live aboard the boat most weekends from April
> through
> > > > > October and we wanted every inch of space in the cabin. We use the
> > > v-berth
> > > > > for storage and sleep in the cabin and found a way to make the
> > > > > semi-enclosed head fairly accessible. I'm not sure how the
> enclosed
> > > head
> > > > > works with the cabin berth set up You should take a look at both
> > > layouts.
> > > > > Fretless (with the semi-enclosed head) is in our backyard here in
> > Fort
> > > > > Washington PA and you are welcome to come take a look.
> > > > >
> > > > > BTW, the book I was referring to is "Sailing Small: Inspiration
> and
> > > > > Instruction for the Pocket Cruiser" edited by Stan Grayson,
> Devereux
> > > > > Books.
> > > > > I wrote Ch 5.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mary Lou
> > > > > 1991 R22 Fretless
> > > > > Ft. Washington, PA / Swan Creek, MD
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > At 09:05 AM 1/24/2006 -0500, you wrote:
> > > > > >Hi Ed,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I'm here the Lehigh Valley of Pa, impatiently waiting for winter
> to
> > > pass
> > > > > by.
> > > > > >I have a first mate, and several crew members. I hope to spend
> most
> > > of
> > > > > >my time in the Finger Lakes of NY (Lake Cayuga). I'm located
> about
> > > 2.5hrs
> > > > > >from Raystown Lake in Pa, and about the same from the Chesapeake,
> > and
> > > a
> > > > > little
> > > > > >less from NJ shore.  There are several smaller lakes close by
> that
> > > have
> > > > > 23'
> > > > > >restrictions, so, the Rhodes fits in these also.
> > > > > >Yes, I'm looking for a good sailing school to get the
> > > > > >basic keelboat certification, so, thanks for the information.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Although the port-o-pottie vs. head discussion was very
> > interesting,
> > > > > >Actually, I was wondering if there was a difference in the
> > floorplan
> > > > > >of the semi-enclose head, vs. the enclosed head.
> > > > > >My first mate thinks the powder room is the way to go also...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I'll try out the search engine.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >-- Jeff
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:53:27 -0800 (PST), Tootle (sent by
> > Nabble.com)
> > > > > wrote
> > > > > > > Jeff:
> > > > > > >      Welcome aboard.  Did you pickup the flotsam directed at
> > > Captain
> > > > > > > Larry walker?  Commodore Bob Weber runs a real ASA sailing
> > school,
> > > > > > > see:  http://www.odysseysailing.com/favorite.htm  I have been
> > > trying
> > > > > > > for years to get him to blow his fog horn.  He is halfway
> > getting
> > > > > > > there, but needs to give his site.     Looking at a '88
> recycle?
> > > > > > >  Hum, do we know another '88 on these waters.  I have a 84
> with
> > > the
> > > > > > > portapottie set up behind the bulkhead.  Having seen the newer
> > > > > > > enclosed heads, I recommend the powder room.       You ought
> to
> > > > > > > learn how to search the archives.  We recently had a good
> > > discussion
> > > > > > > of marine head versus portapottie.  See:
> > > > > > >  http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2006-
> > > > > > > January/028274.html for searching instructions.        I
> noticed
> > > > > > > that you jumped in without telling us where you are, do you
> have
> > a
> > > > > > > first mate, you know the important things.  Have you looked
> at:
> > > > > > > http://www.frappr.com/rhodes22  For some unknown reason it is
> > hard
> > > > > > > to get people to post their location.  There are many more
> > Rhodies
> > > > > > > out there than are on the Frapper site.  We even have bashful
> > > > > > > Rhodies in Canada, imagine that.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ed K
> > > > > > > Greenville, SC, USA
> > > > > > > http://www.sas.usace.army.mil/lakes/hartwell/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > View this message in context:
> > http://www.nabble.com/Captain-Larry-
> > > > > > > Walker-t975927.html#a2547461 Sent from the Rhodes22 forum at
> > > > > Nabble.com.
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