[Rhodes22-list] racing rhodes

[Bill Effros]

If you send me stuff, I'll work with you.

Seems to me you might have to think twice if the ass you were about to 
kick were your own.

R-22s are so wildly different they are tough to handicap.  It's humbling 
to get beaten on someone else's "fast boat" when they are sailing your 
"slow boat."  It's also instructive.

Bill Effros

Peter Thorn wrote:
> Bill,
>
> If you are seriously interested in working on setting up a Rhodes 22 class,
> I would be pleased to work on it with you.  I think we could review the
> Catalina 22 stuff and modify it as needed to suit the unique and independent
> nature of R22 sailors.  The real test will be if owners actually decide to
> join and pay dues.
>
> We could focus on cruising, racing and maintaining the value of all Rhodes
> 22 sailboats.  Unlike other classes, I would prefer to have General Boats
> remain the exclusive vendor and/or broker of all used boats, as well as new
> and recycled.
>
> Your racing ideas are a little unconventional, but interesting.  However, I
> really don't think you would want me to sail your boat in a race.  I could
> be wrong,  but I've been known to take sterns pretty close  :-)
>
> PT
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 10:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] racing rhodes
>
>
>   
>> Peter,
>>
>> I'll help you set up the class, even though I have no interest in racing
>> in it.
>>
>> My idea is to have people race other people's boats.  The better you do,
>> the worse you make that boat's handicap.  The person with the fewest
>> points can pick the first boat--any one except your own.
>>
>> That should make things interesting and get around the poor racing prior
>> to the big race day.  For the finals you race your own boat at the
>> handicap determined for you by others.
>>
>> Just a thought.
>>
>> Bill Effros
>>
>> Peter Thorn wrote:
>>     
>>> GlacierStan and Rhodies
>>>
>>> The GBI Hilton is really great.  One can sleep near the largest
>>>       
> collection
>   
>>> of R22s on the planet and meet interesting sailors like Bob Evans and
>>>       
> John
>   
>>> Huntley commissioning a Seaward RK.  I learned lots about road rigging
>>>       
> just
>   
>>> observing elusive Elton's latest travel rigged delivery.  Sorry I missed
>>> Elton.  Does he usually depart in the middle of the night?  Thanks again
>>> Stan and Rose!
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Stan it seems you are describing a mast crane like Roger built for
>>>       
> Dynamic
>   
>>> Equilibrium or the Seaward RK has.  Rigging a bunch of Rhodes
>>>       
> Continentals
>   
>>> similar to DE with a PHRF-smart 155, powerful FBM, conventional
>>>       
> spinnaker
>   
>>> and racing them PHRF would likely quickly lower the PHRF rating.  I
>>>       
> agree
>   
>>> go-fasts like those would attract gadget-fixated racers. Boats like
>>> Sorenson's are different and faster and may provide renewed interest in
>>> standard masts.
>>>
>>> Raven was purchased to cruise with Tana.   Both are inclined for comfort
>>>       
> and
>   
>>> disinclined for racing.  I haven't had the time to race Raven yet, but
>>>       
> so
>   
>>> far have established the IMF R22 with NC-PHRF to be generously rated
>>>       
> 276.
>   
>>> This assumes a headsail not larger than 155 and non-spinnaker.  NC-PHRF
>>>       
> in
>   
>>> New Bern understands that RCs should carry a lower rating around 258.
>>>       
> Bob
>   
>>> Dilk raced his RC at McCotters in Washington, NC and performance
>>>       
> supported
>   
>>> that rating there. At least in NC, there is now a distinction between
>>>       
> the
>   
>>> older faster RCs and the newer IMF R22s.
>>>
>>> If Sorrenson is racing in a one-design fleet, then perhaps no data is
>>>       
> being
>   
>>> submitted to NC-PHRF.  However I believe both the NC-PHRF ratings for RC
>>>       
> and
>   
>>> R22 to be very generous.  I think any competent sailor campaigning a
>>>       
> Rhodes
>   
>>> in NC-PHRF would soon see ratings lowered.
>>>
>>> That's the thing with PHRF.  It's a politically correct racing system -- 
>>> given time and effort anyone can win.  PHRF assumes all sailors to be
>>>       
> very
>   
>>> good and all boats to be in top racing shape.  In the real world we all
>>>       
> know
>   
>>> there is wide variance in these factors.  If you win a lot, you get
>>>       
> adjusted
>   
>>> down so others can have a better shot at you.   PHRF provides a system
>>> whereby different classes of boats can complete with each other.
>>>
>>> IMHO One-Design is better.  The boats are regulated by a system of rules
>>>       
> to
>   
>>> all be equal, so it is a competition between skippers.  Any class of
>>>       
> boat,
>   
>>> fast or slow, can be raced One-Design.  You just need a class
>>>       
> association to
>   
>>> set out some basic rules and to regulate the members to make sure no one
>>>       
> is
>   
>>> breaking the rules.
>>>
>>> For example, the Catalina 22 Class Association is an association of C22
>>> owners distinct and separate from Frank Butler's Catalina Yacht's group.
>>> The Catalina 22 Class, not Frank Butler, publishes the C22 class rules
>>>       
> and
>   
>>> inspects the boats.  The class promotes group racing and cruising
>>>       
> events.
>   
>>> It's my experience (with the Tanzer 16 Class) that the people involved
>>>       
> make
>   
>>> it interesting.  Our T16 racing group is also very much a social group.
>>> Last weekend my crew at the Edenton Bay Challenge was the 15 yo daughter
>>>       
> of
>   
>>> another Tanzer skipper, who was sailing with his son.  (Lilly was a
>>>       
> great
>   
>>> crew.  She hikes endlessly, thanks to Tae Kwon Doe conditioning of her
>>> stomach muscles!)  There was also a mother/daughter team, and a grown-up
>>> father/son team.  It's great for families.
>>>
>>> The Rhodes 22 is a far better boat than the Catalina 22.  However, the
>>> Rhodes doesn't have a one-design class, like the C22.  If  we owners
>>>       
> were to
>   
>>> establish a Rhodes 22 class association it would probably help maintain
>>>       
> the
>   
>>> perceived value of the boat and help Stan.  Racing would be fun too.  We
>>> could have the first Nationals at Edenton and make the Spitzers guests
>>>       
> of
>   
>>> honor.
>>>
>>> PT
>>>
>>> R22 Raven
>>> RC Phoenix
>>>
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