[Rhodes22-list] Politics--Ted Koppel on Iraq

[Brad Haslett]

Bill,

Unfortunately, we'll be in Iraq for some time. Or, suffer dire consequences
if we leave early. We've always had troops in the Middle East and now that
we're not welcome in Saudia Arabia, Iraq is as good a place to stage from as
any. With the benefit of hindsight, we probably needed more troops, and may
need them yet. The leaders of Iran have clearly stated  their goal; to wipe
Israel off the map.  Allowing Iraq to disentigrate into civil war isn't in
anyone's best interest and would only embolden the jihadists as it did in
Afghanistan after the Russians left.  Your question was what is my hope.  It
is hard to be hopeful about anything in an area of the world that has been
fighting over the same conflict for thousands of years. However, here goes.
The Iraqi people have demonstrated on three occasions that they believe in
self government by going to the polls at great personal risk. My hope
is that they can demonstrate to the rest of the Arab world that Islam and
democracy are not mutually exclusive goals, as is the case in Turkey. My
hope is that a prosperous and democratic Iraq will encourage other Arab
peoples to call for reform in their own countries.  And the alternative is
what? Iran is supplying both men and material to the insurgents.  Iran has
been at war with the US for over twenty-five years.  Sooner or later we'll
have to acknowledge that and deal with it.  Iran cannot be allowed to have
nuclear weapons and Israel is our best hope for stopping them.  Israel will
get little support from the UN, EU nations, or elsewhere.  The US should
remain a staunch defender of Israel and Bush is on the right side of history
on this issue.

I'm leaving for the lake in a few minutes and will get back to you later.

Brad


On 7/22/06, Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>
> Brad,
>
> What is your hope for Iraq?
>
> Lebanon's population is less than 1/2 that of New York City--it's even
> smaller than Israel--and 30% are Christians.  Smashing the country is
> easy, but it doesn't do much except help Shiite recruitment.
>
> Afghanistan is slipping away, as it always does.
>
> Our policy in Iraq can best be described as "Bleed and Run".  It's the
> old Vietnam strategy of declaring victory and getting out of there.
>
> Is that what you think we should do?
>
> Bill Effros
>
> Brad Haslett wrote:
> > You may recall the discussion we had a couple of years ago after the
> > US sold
> > some bunker busting bombs to Israel.  It is my hope that before the
> > shooting
> > stops in the current fight,  Israel "tests" a couple of these on Iran's
> > nuclear reactor.  Here is Victor Hansen's latest assessment.
> >
> > Brad
> >
> >
> > Private Papers
> > www.victorhanson.com
> >
> > *July 21, 2006**
> > **A Strange War**
> > Israel is at last being given an opportunity to unload on jihadists.*
> > by Victor Davis Hanson
> > *National Review Online*
> >
> > *S*um up the declarations of Hezbollah's leaders, Syrian diplomats,
> > Iranian
> > nuts, West Bank terrorists, and Arab commentators — and this latest
> > Middle
> > East war seems one of the strangest in a long history of strange
> > conflicts.
> > For example, have we ever witnessed a conflict in which one of the
> > belligerents — Iran — that shipped thousands of rockets into Lebanon,
> and
> > promises that it will soon destroy Israel, vehemently denies that its
> own
> > missile technicians are on the ground in the Bekka Valley. Wouldn't it
> > wish
> > to brag of such solidarity?
> >
> > Or why, after boasting of the new targets that his lethal missiles
> > will hit
> > in Israel , does Hezbollah leader Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah ("We are
> > ready for
> > it — war, war on every level") now harp that Israel is hitting too
> > deep into
> > Lebanon ? Don't enemies expect one another to hit deep? Isn't that
> > what "war
> > on every level" is all about?
> >
> > Meanwhile, why do the G-8 or the United Nations even talk of putting
> more
> > peacekeeping troops into southern Lebanon, when in the past such
> > rent-a-cops
> > and uniformed bystanders have never stopped hostilities? Does anyone
> > remember that it was Hezbollah who blew up French and American troops
> who
> > last tried to provide "stability" between the warring parties?
> >
> > Why do not Iran and Syria — or for that matter other Arab states — now
> > attack Israel to join the terrorists that they have armed? Surely the
> > two-front attack by Hamas and Hezbollah could be helped by at least one
> > conventional Islamic military. After promising us all year that he was
> > going
> > to "wipe out" Israel , is not this the moment for Mr. Ahmadinejad to
> > strike?
> >
> > And why — when Hezbollah rockets are hidden in apartment basements, then
> > brought out of private homes to target civilians in Israel — would
> > terrorists who exist to murder noncombatants complain that some
> > "civilians"
> > have been hit? Would not they prefer to lionize "martyrs" who helped to
> > store their arms?
> >
> > *W*e can answer these absurdities by summing up the war very briefly.
> > Iran and
> > Syria feel the noose tightening around their necks — especially the
> > ring of
> > democracies in nearby Afghanistan , Iraq , Turkey , and perhaps Lebanon
> .
> > Even the toothless U.N. finally is forced to focus on Iranian nukes and
> > Syrian murder plots. And neither Syria can overturn the Lebanese
> > government
> > nor can Iran the Iraqi democracy. Instead, both are afraid that their
> > rhetoric may soon earn some hard bombing, since their "air defenses" are
> > hardly defenses at all.
> >
> > So they tell Hamas and Hezbollah to tap their missile caches, kidnap a
> > few
> > soldiers, and generally try to turn the world's attention to the
> > collateral
> > damage inflicted on "refugees" by a stirred-up Zionist enemy.
> >
> > For their part, the terrorist killers hope to kidnap, ransom, and send
> > off
> > missiles, and then, when caught and hit, play the usual victim card of
> > racism, colonialism, Zionism, and about every other -ism that they think
> > will win a bailout from some guilt-ridden, terrorist-frightened,
> > Jew-hating,
> > or otherwise oil-hungry Western nation.
> >
> > The only difference from the usual scripted Middle East war is that this
> > time, privately at least, most of the West, and perhaps some in the Arab
> > world as well, want Israel to wipe out Hezbollah, and perhaps hit
> > Syria or Iran
> > . The terrorists and their sponsors know this, and rage accordingly when
> > their military impotence is revealed to a global audience — especially
> > after
> > no reprieve is forthcoming to save their "pride" and "honor."
> >
> > After all, for every one Israeli Hezbollah kills, they lose ten. You
> > are not
> > winning when "victory" is assessed in terms of a single hit on an
> Israeli
> > warship. Their ace-in-the-hole strategy — emblematic of the entire
> > pathetic
> > Islamist way of war — is that they can disrupt the good Western life of
> > their enemies that they are both attracted to and thus also hate. But,
> > as Israel
> > has shown, a Western public can be quite willing to endure shelling if
> it
> > knows that such strikes will lead to a devastating counter-response.
> >
> > *W*hat should the United States do? If it really cares about human
> > life and
> > future peace, then we should talk ad nauseam about "restraint" and
> > "proportionality" while privately assuring Israel the leeway to smash
> > both
> > Hamas and Hezbollah — and humiliate Syria and Iran, who may well come
> off
> > very poorly from their longed-for but bizarre war.
> >
> > Only then will Israel restore some semblance of deterrence and
> strengthen
> > nascent democratic movements in both Lebanon and even the West Bank .
> > This
> > is the truth that everyone from London to Cairo knows, but dares not
> > speak.
> > So for now, let us pray that the brave pilots and ground commanders of
> > the
> > IDF can teach these primordial tribesmen a lesson that they will not
> soon
> > forget — and thus do civilization's dirty work on the other side of the
> > proverbial Rhine.
> >
> > In this regard, it is time to stop the silly slurs that American
> > policy in
> > the Middle East is either in shambles or culpable for the present war.
> In
> > fact, if we keep our cool, the Bush doctrine is working. Both Afghans
> and
> > Iraqis each day fight and kill Islamist terrorists; neither was doing so
> > before 9/11. Syria and Iran have never been more isolated; neither was
> > isolated when Bill Clinton praised the "democracy" in Tehran or when an
> > American secretary of State sat on the tarmac in Damascus for hours to
> > pay
> > homage to Syria 's gangsters. Israel is at last being given an
> > opportunity
> > to unload on jihadists; that was impossible during the Arafat fraud that
> > grew out of the Oslo debacle. Europe is waking up to the dangers of
> > radical
> > Islamism; in the past, it bragged of its aid and arms sales to terrorist
> > governments from the West Bank to Baghdad .
> >
> > Some final observations on Hezbollah and Hamas. There is no longer a
> > Soviet
> > deterrent to bail out a failed Arab offensive. There is no longer
> empathy
> > for poor Islamist "freedom fighters." The truth is that it is an open
> > question as to which regime — Iran or Syria — is the greater
> > international
> > pariah. After a recent trip to the Middle East, I noticed that the
> > unfortunate prejudicial stares given to a passenger with an Iranian
> > passport
> > were surpassed only by those accorded another on his way to Damascus .
> >
> > So after 9/11, the London bombings, the Madrid murders, the French
> riots,
> > the Beslan atrocities, the killings in India, the Danish cartoon
> debacle,
> > Theo Van Gogh, and the daily arrests of Islamic terrorists trying to
> blow
> > up, behead, or shoot innocent people around the globe, the world is
> > sick of
> > the jihadist ilk. And for all the efforts of the BBC, Reuters, Western
> > academics, and the horde of appeasers and apologists that usually bail
> > these
> > terrorist killers out when their rhetoric finally outruns their
> > muscle, this
> > time they can't.
> >
> > Instead, a disgusted world secretly wants these terrorists to get what
> > they
> > deserve. And who knows: This time they just might.
> >
> > (c)2006 Victor Davis Hanson
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