[Rhodes22-list] Right-of-Way

[TN Rhodey]

Brad,

Once you turn the motor on you are no longer a sail boat. It doesn't matter 
if the sail is up or down.

Wally


>From: "Brad Haslett" <flybrad at gmail.com>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Right-of-Way
>Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:52:58 -0500
>
>Bill,
>
>This is chickenshit but effective.  I have to motor through a narrow 
>channel
>for about a half-mile to hit the deep channel and then am restricted for 
>the
>next two until the wide part of Pickwick.  I usually hoist the mainsail,
>even in zero wind, and let it luff while motoring.  Sailboats under sail 
>are
>*supposed* to have the right-a-way and the big powerboats can't hear my 
>13hp
>diesel running over the noise from their 300+ hp motors.  The bass boats
>running after 70 knot fish are another story.
>
>Brad
>
>
>On 7/27/06, Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>>
>>Wally,
>>
>>Even though they are operating at unsafe speeds, it is clear both that
>>they are unable to maneuver, and that you don't want to get hit by
>>them.  You must give way when you see them coming.
>>
>>Commercial boats have right-of-way any time they are restricted in their
>>ability to maneuver.  That winds up being almost all the time.
>>
>>Fishing boats don't have to have lines or nets or traps in the water
>>attached to the boat to be "fishing".  A lobster boat going from trap to
>>trap has the right of way -- and they know it!  They are sick and tired
>>of panty waisted sailors getting in between them and their livelihood.
>>This was one of the first right-of-way lessons I learned on my Sunfish
>>on Long Island Sound.
>>
>>The Law of Tonnage is the only one that really matters when you're out
>>on the water.  Somebody posted a video of a sailboat cutting in front of
>>a ferry.  I don't think any of us seriously thought the sailboat had the
>>right of way.
>>
>>Around here people in kayaks think they have the right of way because
>>they are less maneuverable than sailboats.  Boating fatalities are
>>soaring because of these people.  Even in boats as small as ours, you
>>can't see them until it's too late.
>>
>>People in small boats have to learn to stop doing stupid things.
>>
>>Bill Effros
>>
>>TN Rhodey wrote:
>> > Bill,
>> >
>> > First off I do everything I can to get out of the way of any boat.
>> > Every boater is supposed to do everything they can to avoid accidents
>> > including keeping a sharp look out and operating at safe speeds for
>> > conditions.
>> >
>> > Driving a boat at 90 mph does not give one the right of way. You are
>> > operating at unsafe speeds.
>> >
>> > A commerical boat does not always have right of way over sail boat
>> > under sail. If the commerical craft is not restricted by channel or
>> > towing they do not have right of way. Commercial fisherman do have the
>> > right a way when they are actually fishing. They do not have right of
>> > way when they are not fishing.
>> >
>> > Wally
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>> >> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Right-of-Way
>> >> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 09:44:56 -0400
>> >>
>> >> Tom, Herb,
>> >>
>> >> Most people get this wrong.
>> >>
>> >> Here's the pecking order:
>> >>
>> >> (Summary of Coast Guard rules courtesy of the state of Tennessee)
>> >>
>> >> Responsibilities Between Vessels:
>> >>
>> >> If operating a power driven vessel you must give way to:
>> >>
>> >> o Any vessel not under command, such as an anchored or disabled 
>>vessel.
>> >> o Any vessel restricted in its ability to maneuver, such as a vessel
>> >> towing, laying cable, or picking up navigation markers, or a vessel
>> >> constrained by its draft such as a large ship in a channel.
>> >> o A vessel engaged in commercial fishing
>> >> o A sailing vessel (sail only) unless it is overtaking
>> >>
>> >> If operating a sailing vessel (sail only), you must give way to:
>> >> o Any vessel not under command
>> >> o Any vessel restricted in its ability to maneuver
>> >> o A vessel engaged in commercial fishing
>> >>
>> >> Michael and I sail in waters where we see all kinds of vessels
>> >> (including submarines) all the time.  Every summer we read about a
>> >> novice sailor getting killed while yelling "I've got the right of
>> >> way!"  -- when in fact he doesn't.
>> >>
>> >> All military vessels have right-of-way over all other vessels.  Next
>> >> comes the Coast Guard.  Next comes emergency vessels.  Next comes
>> >> tugboats.
>> >>
>> >> Then comes vessels engaged in commercial fishing.
>> >>
>> >> But way up at the top are vessels not under command, and just below
>> >> is any vessel restricted in its ability to maneuver.
>> >>
>> >> As a practical matter try to think of a commercial vessel that is not
>> >> restricted in its ability to maneuver.  We already know that if you
>> >> try to turn a cruise ship too fast it can tip over.  A Cigarette
>> >> boat, traveling at 90 miles an hour, is restricted in its ability to
>> >> maneuver.  Sailboats must give way -- early!
>> >>
>> >> Some of these big commercial boats have 40 foot drafts.
>> >>
>> >> I can't think of a commercial boat that wouldn't have right of way
>> >> over a sail boat under sail--can you?
>> >>
>> >> Experienced sailors always follow "The Law of Tonnage": if something
>> >> bigger than you is bearing down on you -- get out of its way!
>> >>
>> >> Bill Effros
>> >>
>> >> PS -- Anchored vessels must be in designated anchorages -- you can't
>> >> anchor in the middle of a busy waterway and think for one second that
>> >> you've got the right of way.  And if you're disabled, but the other
>> >> boat can't maneuver, and can't give way...don't get disabled in front
>> >> of big boats--it won't turn out well.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Herb Parsons wrote:
>> >>> I'm curious too. Commercial fishing vessels are stand on over sail
>> >>> boats, when they're engaged in fishing. ANY boat (commercial or
>> >>> other) limited in their ability to manuever and in a channel is
>> >>> stand on over a sailing boat as well. But I believe that the blanket
>> >>> statement that all commercial vessels have the right-of-way over any
>> >>> sailing vessel is incorrect.
>> >>>
>> >>> Herb Parsons
>> >>>
>> >>> S/V O'Jure
>> >>> 1976 O'Day 25
>> >>> Lake Grapevine, N TX
>> >>>
>> >>> S/V Reve de Papa
>> >>> 1971 Coronado 35
>> >>> Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>> Tatflies at cs.com 7/26/2006 10:29:26 pm >>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>> Bill,
>> >>>
>> >>> Why do commercial vessels have the right-of-way over any sailing
>> >>> vessel (unless limited in their ability to manuever)?
>> >>>
>> >>> Tom T.
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