[Rhodes22-list] Right-of-Way

[Michael Meltzer]

Nice story,

Now A question I never been able to answer,

Were do human powered craft figure in the regs? I never see any reference to
them in the tables and I been never able to spot the answer, they always
seem to me to come under most moveable and had to get out of the way of
everyone.

I deal with 20+- today so it would be nice to know :-)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-
> bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Jim Connolly
> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 8:23 PM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 mail list'
> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Right-of-Way
> 
> Back in the '80's I served on submarines out of New London, CT.  One day
> we
> were heading out and approaching the railroad drawbridge across the Thames
> River.  I was the officer of the deck.  A lobsterboat was hauling traps
> dead
> center in the channel and just a bit downstream of the bridge.
> 
> I gave him a prolonged blast on the whistle.  He gave us the finger (I
> could
> see it through binoculars, we weren't that close yet).   The next thing he
> got was 5 short blasts.  He threw the trap about fifteen feet and dove for
> the wheel.
> 
> He was hauling traps.  He was restricted in ability to maneuver, but so
> were
> we, and we had nowhere to give way to.  The railroad draw horizontal
> clearance was not much more than three times as wide as our maximum beam,
> and looked a lot narrower, especially approaching it with the current
> behind
> you.
> 
> As the skipper (not previously a man noted for his excellent sense of
> humor)
> said to the lobsterman on the loud hailer as we passed "HY-80 (steel)
> beats
> fiberglass".  This is a corollary to the law of gross tonnage.
> 
> For those of you who may encounter submarines from time to time, note that
> they are about 300 to 560 feet long, displace 6,000-18,000 tons, are about
> 90% underwater, draw 3-40 feet draft and have one screw located aft of the
> rudder, so they maneuver unpredictably (especially going astern) or
> without
> significant way on.  They are often mistaken for small craft at night and
> in
> poor visibility due to small radar return of what little sticks up out of
> the water.  They are almost always restricted (by draft or by inherent
> design characteristics while on the surface) in ability to maneuver.
> 
> Jim Connolly
> s/v Inisheer
> '85 recycled '02
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 9:45 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Right-of-Way
> 
> Tom, Herb,
> 
> Most people get this wrong.
> 
> Here's the pecking order:
> 
> (Summary of Coast Guard rules courtesy of the state of Tennessee)
> 
> Responsibilities Between Vessels:
> 
> If operating a power driven vessel you must give way to:
> 
> o Any vessel not under command, such as an anchored or disabled vessel.
> o Any vessel restricted in its ability to maneuver, such as a vessel
> towing,
> laying cable, or picking up navigation markers, or a vessel constrained by
> its draft such as a large ship in a channel.
> o A vessel engaged in commercial fishing o A sailing vessel (sail only)
> unless it is overtaking
> 
> If operating a sailing vessel (sail only), you must give way to:
> o Any vessel not under command
> o Any vessel restricted in its ability to maneuver o A vessel engaged in
> commercial fishing
> 
> Michael and I sail in waters where we see all kinds of vessels (including
> submarines) all the time.  Every summer we read about a novice sailor
> getting killed while yelling "I've got the right of way!"
> -- when in fact he doesn't.
> 
> All military vessels have right-of-way over all other vessels.  Next comes
> the Coast Guard.  Next comes emergency vessels.  Next comes tugboats.
> 
> Then comes vessels engaged in commercial fishing.
> 
> But way up at the top are vessels not under command, and just below is any
> vessel restricted in its ability to maneuver.
> 
> As a practical matter try to think of a commercial vessel that is not
> restricted in its ability to maneuver.  We already know that if you try to
> turn a cruise ship too fast it can tip over.  A Cigarette boat, traveling
> at
> 90 miles an hour, is restricted in its ability to maneuver.  Sailboats
> must
> give way -- early!
> 
> Some of these big commercial boats have 40 foot drafts.
> 
> I can't think of a commercial boat that wouldn't have right of way over a
> sail boat under sail--can you?
> 
> Experienced sailors always follow "The Law of Tonnage": if something
> bigger
> than you is bearing down on you -- get out of its way!
> 
> Bill Effros
> 
> PS -- Anchored vessels must be in designated anchorages -- you can't
> anchor
> in the middle of a busy waterway and think for one second that you've got
> the right of way.  And if you're disabled, but the other boat can't
> maneuver, and can't give way...don't get disabled in front of big boats--
> it
> won't turn out well.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Herb Parsons wrote:
> > I'm curious too. Commercial fishing vessels are stand on over sail
> boats,
> when they're engaged in fishing. ANY boat (commercial or other) limited in
> their ability to manuever and in a channel is stand on over a sailing boat
> as well. But I believe that the blanket statement that all commercial
> vessels have the right-of-way over any sailing vessel is incorrect.
> >
> > Herb Parsons
> >
> > S/V O'Jure
> > 1976 O'Day 25
> > Lake Grapevine, N TX
> >
> > S/V Reve de Papa
> > 1971 Coronado 35
> > Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast
> >
> >
> >>>> Tatflies at cs.com 7/26/2006 10:29:26 pm >>>
> >>>>
> > Bill,
> >
> > Why do commercial vessels have the right-of-way over any sailing
> > vessel (unless limited in their ability to manuever)?
> >
> > Tom T.
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