[Rhodes22-list] Politics: How's It Going?

[TN Rhodey]

Herb,

I still am not sure you get what I am saying. I agree (and have agreed) 
there were un-revealed post-war plans for both WW II and Iraq. So we are in 
agreement here. No big deal.

I am of the opinion that our plan for Iraq was/is based on fear, greed, 
misinformation and faulty intelligence. Based on your comments you disagree. 
It would appear you think we attacked Iraq at the right time and for the 
right reasons. Even Bush has started to admit to some mistakes. As they say 
ignorance is bliss!

You didn't address your misquote. I called your comment BS because you were 
wrong. You misquoted me and the proof is in the post. Of course you can post 
all you want but if you are going to use quotes you should try to get it 
right. If you want others to respect your opinion take care to quote 
accurately. It doesn't help your cause to change facts or quotes to support 
your view point. In fact is does just the opposite.

Wally

>From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics: How's It Going?
>Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 10:53:36 -0500
>
>Hmmm, don't recall ever saying there wasn't a plan. As a matter of fact, 
>the constant assertion that there isn't/wasn't a plan was the point of my 
>post.
>
>While the wars in Iraq and WWII are definitely "apples and oranges", there 
>are consistencies between them. There is nothing wrong with drawing the 
>comparison between the two that in NEITHER case is there a "plan" that's 
>revealed to the general public, or even most of the top government 
>officials. The absence of that revelation does not indicate a lack of a 
>plan.
>
>Sorry if you think my posting is "BS" or that I was "bitching you out" 
>about something. If you don't like what I have to say, I suggest you not 
>read it, or not respond. Otherwise, I will feel free to continue to post 
>when the mood strikes me.
>
>Herb Parsons
>
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> >>> tnrhodey at hotmail.com 6/5/2006 9:50:35 am >>>
>Herb,
>
>Of course I read your question. Thanks for admitting that I am correct....
>Iraq and World War II are apples and oranges. Using one to draw conclusions
>about the other does not make much sense. You are the one that keeps 
>wanting
>to compare one to the other.
>
>That being said I still think we had a plan(s) for post war Iraq. Just
>because I don't know what the heck it is doesn't mean we didn't have one. I
>do think the plan has gone to hell. Do you really think we went to war with
>out a plan? And this is the side you are supporting? Too funny!
>
>I like the way you try to quote my post and leave words out. Nice try but
>that BS isn't going to fly. I said "almost" the whole world was with us
>after WW II. Scroll down and re-read. I stand by that remark. Are you 
>saying
>something different? Yeah Russia has some issues but the fact is most of 
>the
>world was with us. Are you saying that the "most" of the world was not with
>us? If so my respect for your intelligence just dropped a notch lower. You
>actually are going to bitch about me not reading your post while at the 
>same
>time mis-quoting me? LOL!
>
>
>Wally
>
>
> >From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics: How's It Going?
> >Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:10:00 -0500
> >
> >Wally,
> >
> >I'll ask again, did you read my question? Your answer pretty clearly
> >indicates you didn't. "Wasn't there something called the Marshall plan
> >AFTER World War II?" (my emphasis). "After" hardly qualifies as 6 months
> >prior. I'm sure someone will come up with a plan on how to divvy up 
>things
> >in Iraq "after" it's over. Assuming, of course, that the cut-and-run 
>crowed
> >doesn't get their way, we may even be in on the plan. If we'd quit WWII
> >after the first 3 years, there'd have ben no Marshall plan, you can be
> >sure.
> >
> >Also, "the whole world" was not with us on WWII, or else there'd have 
>been
> >no need for war. There WAS another side. Even after the war, Russia was 
>not
> >"with us". All of which points to one thing you're right about, it IS
> >apples and oranges.
> >
> > >>> tnrhodey at hotmail.com 6/5/2006 6:27:07 am >>>
> >Herb,
> >
> >Wasn't there something called the Marshall plan after World War II? 
>Almost
> >the whole world was on our side and we were clearly the good guys. Iraq 
>and
> >WW II are apples and oranges. We attacked Iraq. The country did not ask 
>for
> >our aid.  It was a planned pre-emptive strike. Of course there was a 
>plan.
> >Our plan was based on the premise that we would be welcomed. Don't you
> >think
> >Iraq and WW II are really apples and oranges?
> >
> >Every military action has a plan as well as back up plans. Sometimes the
> >plans suck. So now that we are there what do we do? Dropping our guns and
> >running for the border is out of the question. We made this mess and it 
>is
> >up to us to try to clean it up. At this point there are no easy answers. 
>I
> >do think we need to be shooting for something sooner rather than later.
> >
> >Wally
> >
> >
> > >From: DCLewis1 at aol.com
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> > >To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics:  How's It Going?
> > >Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 22:39:08 EDT
> > >
> > >
> > >Herb,
> > >
> > >Re a plan for the end of WWII prior  to the end of WWII, I believe if
> >you
> > >read reports of the Yalta conference it was pretty much mapped out
> > >geographically and geo-politically.  American units were deployed and
> > >operations were
> > >timed explicitly to be sure we got our agreed territory vice a  land 
>grab
> > >by the
> > >Soviets.  Additionally, units were identified to occupy  Germany (and I
> > >might
> > >add sufficient and appropriate units, none of this better,  faster,
> >cheaper
> > >crap, we had boots on the ground).
> > >
> > >Additionally, I believe MacArthur had a plan for occupying Japan via 
>the
> > >existing Emperor based government.  It was not a case of  his standing
> >on
> > >the
> > >deck of the Missouri in Tokyo bay and wondering aloud "Jeez guys, 
>waddya
> > >think
> > >we ought to do now?".  The need to occupy was clear, explicit  problems
> > >with
> > >any occupation had been identified (which I believe is  why we kept the
> > >emperor
> > >on) and units were available (again, sufficient  units).
> > >
> > >But we actually it through back then, that's what's different.
> > >
> > >Dave
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