[Rhodes22-list] Stove Safety Recall

[Slim]

Dave,
I forgot mention this and you might not be able to tell from the picture but
this stove folds up flat and small and comes with a carry case.  We stow it
under the sink.  Very nice engineering.
Slim

On 6/19/06 8:31 PM, "Slim" <salm at mn.rr.com> wrote:

> Dave,
> 
> Our boat came with an older Kenyon and we wound up throwing it away because
> it was so dangerous.  The recall did not address the problem we had:  the
> fuel canister didn't fit right into its socket and would leak fuel and
> flames would come out from under the stove.  Pretty bad!  We're lucky we
> didn't burn the boat to the water line!
> 
> We now use a Coleman Expedition two-burner that we wouldn't trade for
> anything.  We use it either in the cabin or out on the cockpit table.
> Available at Midwest Mountaineering or REI:
> 
> http://www.rei.com/online/store/ProductDisplay?storeId=8000&catalogId=400000
> 08000&productId=9320681&parent_category_rn=4500453&vcat=REI_SSHP_CAMPING_TOC
> 
> Slim
> 
> On 6/19/06 4:52 PM, "DCLewis1 at aol.com" <DCLewis1 at aol.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Folks,
>> 
>> The stove that came with our R22 is a Kenyon B23000. In checking around for
>> operating instructions for that stove I discovered it was subject to a safety
>> recall.  I posted that info on 5/19/06.  For information regarding the
>> recall see:   
>> 
>> _www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml01/01198.html_
>> (http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml01/01198.html)
>> _http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_ppro/is_200107/ai_1124042216_
>> (http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_ppro/is_200107/ai_1124042216)
>> 
>> 
>> Rather than flirt with disaster, I contacted Kenyon to find out about  the
>> recall.  The lady I spoke with @ Kenyon (Beth) told me that indeed  there was
>> a 
>> recall, the problem was that users would sometimes use the grill  that came
>> with the B2300 upside down (i.e. as stored), and heat radiated from  that
>> upside 
>> down grill assembly radiated into the gas regulator assembly, things  got
>> hot, gas leaked, and there had been fires, people had been hurt, etc.   The
>> new 
>> stove that they would send out in fulfillment of the recall had a grill  that
>> could only be used one way and would solve that problem.
>> 
>> We returned our stove and promptly got back a new stove and carrying case  at
>> no charge (of course we had to pay the postage to mail our stove back).   The
>> point of this present post is to report general features of the new stove,
>> Kenyon Express II model B23200.
>> 
>> The new stove came in a black plastic container that looks good, but in no
>> more than 3 weeks of intermittent light handling has torn in one spot.  I
>> think it¹s a bit flimsy, but serviceable, as a way to store and carry the
>> stove.
>> 
>> The stove is labeled: "Not for household use.  Gas-fired portable cook  stove
>> for outdoor and indoor commercial use only."  I'm not sure which  category we
>> fit into if the stove is installed in a galley.
>> 
>> The gross form factor for the stove (length, width, height) is similar to
>> the old stove, it¹s as deep and thick as the B23000 but may be 1/2" shorter
>> (i.e. length parallel to the front edge of the counter-top).
>> 
>> The stove is black and gets pretty hot just sitting in sunlight.  It¹s
>> awkward to touch and hold if it¹s been sitting in direct sunlight.  As I
>> recall, 
>> the B23000 was green and did not get as hot.  If you are going to  use the
>> stove under the countertop, this is not an issue.  If you are going  to use
>> it
>> out 
>> of doors, this may well be an issue.
>> 
>> The pot supports are indeed attached directly to the stove top in a way  that
>> they cannot be removed and used upside down.  This means  when  installed in
>> the galley the stove top will always protrude above the counter-top  by about
>> 3/4".  The top of the previous stove could be flipped so that you  could have
>> a smooth counter-top and so that a cutting board could fit over the  hole in
>> the counter-top for the stove.  With the new stove you will have to  put a
>> 3/4" 
>> to 1" high border around  the cutting block, if you intend to  set it over
>> the stove top, and the stove top will always be protruding above the
>> countertop.
>> 
>> The hips on the 4 pot supports that come up from the top of the stove are
>> spaced sufficiently far apart that the top will not pass freely through our
>> counter top (i.e. straight up),  but it's close; by passing one side
>> through,
>> and then the other, it is possible to get the stove top through the  counter
>> cut-out.  The possible problem is that the pot supports are close  to, or
>> bearing 
>> against, the aluminum border that edges the stove cut-out of the
>> counter-top.  I¹m concerned that heat from the pot supports will be
>> conducted
>> to the 
>> counter-top thus creating another type of fire  hazard.
>> 
>> I may try to install the stove just to see how it works, there are
>> modifications that could be made (i.e. file the pot support fingers back so
>> they  do 
>> easily clear the cut-out space) that might allow for safer  operation.  But
>> we
>> may also just carry the stove as a separate item and use  it in the cockpit
>> when we need a stove.  And I may look around to find  another safer stove
>> that
>> will fit in the available space better (if anyone knows  of a suitable stove,
>> I 
>> will appreciate their telling me of it).
>> 
>> Some people may be tempted to just try to operate their Kenyon B23000 stove
>> ³
>> as is² being sure to flip the stove top as appropriate.  This would  respond
>> to the issue identified by the lady at Kenyon.  I¹m concerned,  however, that
>> she may have not fully understood the extent of risk and it¹s  origins.  If
>> there were a simple, cheap fix to this problem, like  implementing a
>> different
>> grill structure so that the stove could only be used  one way, I think Kenyon
>> would have gone for it in a heart beat.  I suspect  they¹ve had to change
>> more
>> than the stove top - they've issued a whole new  stove.
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
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