[Rhodes22-list] Coleman Expedition Stove - supplier option

[Arthur H. Czerwonky]

All,

For those interested in Slim's stove, I found this location, which may be the best source:
http://www.backcountry-equipment.com/stoves/colemanexponent_xpedition.php
It is $69 versus $88 at REI, with free shipping, not bad if I can locate a good source for fuel.

Art


-----Original Message-----
>From: Slim <salm at mn.rr.com>
>Sent: Jun 19, 2006 9:36 PM
>To: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Stove Safety Recall
>
>Dave,
>I forgot mention this and you might not be able to tell from the picture but
>this stove folds up flat and small and comes with a carry case.  We stow it
>under the sink.  Very nice engineering.
>Slim
>
>On 6/19/06 8:31 PM, "Slim" <salm at mn.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Dave,
>> 
>> Our boat came with an older Kenyon and we wound up throwing it away because
>> it was so dangerous.  The recall did not address the problem we had:  the
>> fuel canister didn't fit right into its socket and would leak fuel and
>> flames would come out from under the stove.  Pretty bad!  We're lucky we
>> didn't burn the boat to the water line!
>> 
>> We now use a Coleman Expedition two-burner that we wouldn't trade for
>> anything.  We use it either in the cabin or out on the cockpit table.
>> Available at Midwest Mountaineering or REI:
>> 
>> http://www.rei.com/online/store/ProductDisplay?storeId=8000&catalogId=400000
>> 08000&productId=9320681&parent_category_rn=4500453&vcat=REI_SSHP_CAMPING_TOC
>> 
>> Slim
>> 
>> On 6/19/06 4:52 PM, "DCLewis1 at aol.com" <DCLewis1 at aol.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Folks,
>>> 
>>> The stove that came with our R22 is a Kenyon B23000. In checking around for
>>> operating instructions for that stove I discovered it was subject to a safety
>>> recall.  I posted that info on 5/19/06.  For information regarding the
>>> recall see:   
>>> 
>>> _www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml01/01198.html_
>>> (http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml01/01198.html)
>>> _http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_ppro/is_200107/ai_1124042216_
>>> (http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_ppro/is_200107/ai_1124042216)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Rather than flirt with disaster, I contacted Kenyon to find out about  the
>>> recall.  The lady I spoke with @ Kenyon (Beth) told me that indeed  there was
>>> a 
>>> recall, the problem was that users would sometimes use the grill  that came
>>> with the B2300 upside down (i.e. as stored), and heat radiated from  that
>>> upside 
>>> down grill assembly radiated into the gas regulator assembly, things  got
>>> hot, gas leaked, and there had been fires, people had been hurt, etc.   The
>>> new 
>>> stove that they would send out in fulfillment of the recall had a grill  that
>>> could only be used one way and would solve that problem.
>>> 
>>> We returned our stove and promptly got back a new stove and carrying case  at
>>> no charge (of course we had to pay the postage to mail our stove back).   The
>>> point of this present post is to report general features of the new stove,
>>> Kenyon Express II model B23200.
>>> 
>>> The new stove came in a black plastic container that looks good, but in no
>>> more than 3 weeks of intermittent light handling has torn in one spot.  I
>>> think it¹s a bit flimsy, but serviceable, as a way to store and carry the
>>> stove.
>>> 
>>> The stove is labeled: "Not for household use.  Gas-fired portable cook  stove
>>> for outdoor and indoor commercial use only."  I'm not sure which  category we
>>> fit into if the stove is installed in a galley.
>>> 
>>> The gross form factor for the stove (length, width, height) is similar to
>>> the old stove, it¹s as deep and thick as the B23000 but may be 1/2" shorter
>>> (i.e. length parallel to the front edge of the counter-top).
>>> 
>>> The stove is black and gets pretty hot just sitting in sunlight.  It¹s
>>> awkward to touch and hold if it¹s been sitting in direct sunlight.  As I
>>> recall, 
>>> the B23000 was green and did not get as hot.  If you are going to  use the
>>> stove under the countertop, this is not an issue.  If you are going  to use
>>> it
>>> out 
>>> of doors, this may well be an issue.
>>> 
>>> The pot supports are indeed attached directly to the stove top in a way  that
>>> they cannot be removed and used upside down.  This means  when  installed in
>>> the galley the stove top will always protrude above the counter-top  by about
>>> 3/4".  The top of the previous stove could be flipped so that you  could have
>>> a smooth counter-top and so that a cutting board could fit over the  hole in
>>> the counter-top for the stove.  With the new stove you will have to  put a
>>> 3/4" 
>>> to 1" high border around  the cutting block, if you intend to  set it over
>>> the stove top, and the stove top will always be protruding above the
>>> countertop.
>>> 
>>> The hips on the 4 pot supports that come up from the top of the stove are
>>> spaced sufficiently far apart that the top will not pass freely through our
>>> counter top (i.e. straight up),  but it's close; by passing one side
>>> through,
>>> and then the other, it is possible to get the stove top through the  counter
>>> cut-out.  The possible problem is that the pot supports are close  to, or
>>> bearing 
>>> against, the aluminum border that edges the stove cut-out of the
>>> counter-top.  I¹m concerned that heat from the pot supports will be
>>> conducted
>>> to the 
>>> counter-top thus creating another type of fire  hazard.
>>> 
>>> I may try to install the stove just to see how it works, there are
>>> modifications that could be made (i.e. file the pot support fingers back so
>>> they  do 
>>> easily clear the cut-out space) that might allow for safer  operation.  But
>>> we
>>> may also just carry the stove as a separate item and use  it in the cockpit
>>> when we need a stove.  And I may look around to find  another safer stove
>>> that
>>> will fit in the available space better (if anyone knows  of a suitable stove,
>>> I 
>>> will appreciate their telling me of it).
>>> 
>>> Some people may be tempted to just try to operate their Kenyon B23000 stove
>>> ³
>>> as is² being sure to flip the stove top as appropriate.  This would  respond
>>> to the issue identified by the lady at Kenyon.  I¹m concerned,  however, that
>>> she may have not fully understood the extent of risk and it¹s  origins.  If
>>> there were a simple, cheap fix to this problem, like  implementing a
>>> different
>>> grill structure so that the stove could only be used  one way, I think Kenyon
>>> would have gone for it in a heart beat.  I suspect  they¹ve had to change
>>> more
>>> than the stove top - they've issued a whole new  stove.
>>> 
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> 
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