[Rhodes22-list] RE: Public Service Announcement from Stan

[stan]

I love it when I can stir up the List so brilliant non-Rhodes owners like 
Brad can't leave.

I don't want the facts (Day did post their Rhodes to the list - Ed help me 
here.  And the buyer did get our big copy and photo mailing before deciding 
on his purchase) to get in the way of the logic to our Public radio and TV 
approach to voluntary buying and selling contributions - I covered that 
logic enough and if anyone does not get it, well that is why it is 
voluntary.

We hate to work black holes so we follow up silence to our mailings with an 
e-mail questioning if we should stop bothering the prospect and deep six 
their files and Dave got caught up in one of those mailing groups - Sorry 
Dave, did not mean to upset you here.- we will make up for it with any pro 
bono help you need.

welcome to what is probably one of the most mixed up, gregarious and 
brightest collection of characters to ever invade the internet - just don't 
believe every kind thing they say about me or bad thing they say about the 
boat......  .

stan/gbi

Hey, I got to tell any readers still here, that years and years ago when we 
first had contact, Roger, mad at us for some reason I forget, called me and 
my crew a bunch of clowns and I had to practically sing the entire verse to 
Roger about  "there's got to be clowns - send in the clowns"  and to this 
day, while Roger is temporarily not on the List, we remain great friends off 
the List.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "TN Rhodey" <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 9:04 AM
Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] RE: Public Service Announcement from Stan


> David,
>
> There are always at least 2 sides to every story. Perhaps just a simple 
> response might have been better received....."Yes deep six my file, I did 
> buy a boat but it didn't work out so well. Now I wish I would have 
> purchased through GB".
>
> Although Stan does not "own" this list it is my understanding that MJM and 
> Stan have a relationship making this the "Rhodes 22" list. Many of us 
> moved to this list from the R22 Sailnet list. That list has nothing to do 
> with GB or MJM. Although the seller didn't post the boat for sale on this 
> list they did use this list to sell their boat.
>
> If the time comes to sell my boat and I sell it to someone who made on 
> offer based on my post to this list I will give Stan his %. If I sell 
> outside this list I don't think I would give GB a %. Others may feel 
> differently but to each his own.
>
> I know you must be frustrated and I hope your compression problems are not 
> serious. Good luck!
>
> Fair Winds,
>
> Wally
>
>
>>From: "David Culp" <dculp at hsbtx.us>
>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] RE:  Public Service Announcement from Stan
>>Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 16:34:55 -0500
>>
>> > so sue me, I am blatantly touting the value of the recycling process;
>>but
>>do so as a pre-emptive service to future used boat buyers lurking >out
>>there:
>>
>>
>> >  1.    Somehow the e-Bay boat that Brad was considering, ended up at 
>> > GB,
>>at great gas cost to us.  Even the mast, the reason Brad wanted >the boat,
>>is NG.  The boat is a mess, missing lots of parts and not worth recycling.
>> > 2.    A boat was recently offered on this list,  bypassing GB (seller
>>shall remain nameless).  It was purchased by a List reader (who shall
>>remain nameless) who also bypassed GB.  Now, even though our investments
>>laid the ground work for this transaction and even though we have in no 
>>way
>>been compensated for this transaction and even though we invested in 
>>making
>>the buyer pre-aware of the recycled boat advantages, we now receive a 
>>letter
>>bitterly complaining of a long list of things wrong with his purchase. To
>>quote a few of his out-of-context words,   "....I am not exactly thrilled
>>[with a Rhodes] right now ..."
>>
>>  > I get the feeling we are not doing a good enough job explaining the 
>> worth
>>of recycled Rhodes and therefore boats are ending up with unearned bum 
>>raps
>>- sorry about how this kind of word of mouth handicapping can affect your
>>future return when it comes to selling your boats..
>>
>>My name is David Culp and I live in Texas.  I am the un-named buyer who 
>>Stan
>>refers to in his public service announcement.  I have introduced myself to
>>the list before and was in the market for a used Rhodes.
>>
>>Now Stan is obviously a brilliant inventor and he is no doubt the Messiah
>>when it comes to the Rhodes 22, but folks to steal a line... No one, not
>>even the Messiah is entitled to his own set of facts.  So let's try to
>>straighten some of this out.
>>
>>First of all, the boat I purchased was never offered for sale on this 
>>list.
>>An announcement was made that a boat was going to be sold back to GB on 
>>this
>>list and I unilaterally approached the sellers off list and offered to 
>>look
>>at the boat.  The reason that the boat was going to be offered to GB was
>>that the sellers felt no one in their area was interested in purchasing 
>>it.
>>Also, again according to the sellers, Stan had only offered wholesale for
>>the boat and they would have to trailer it back to NC.  According to them,
>>even Stan's recommendation was to find a buyer locally.  As you can 
>>imagine,
>>this was very good advice.  Obviously, Stan can only offer wholesale for
>>boats the company takes back to recycle because he will be investing money
>>to bring them back up and he has to make a profit.  The sellers were able 
>>to
>>get several thousand more from me as a retail purchaser and nobody had to
>>trailer a boat from Texas to NC.  Everybody comes out pretty good except
>>Stan.
>>
>>My contact with General Boats prior to this was as follows:
>>
>>I sent 2 emails to GB requesting information on recycled boats that were
>>available after seeing the Rhodes 22 website.  The requests were never
>>answered.  I ended up calling GB and spoke with Stan for approximately 5-6
>>minutes.  I told him where I was and what I desired in a boat.  He told me
>>what a recycled boat would cost.  I offered to send money to get the 
>>photos
>>of the boats that were available as the website talks about.  Stan told me
>>not to send any money as the boats turn over too quickly and the 
>>information
>>is too hard to keep up to date.  He mentioned to me that when GB brings
>>buyer and seller together on a non-recycled boat that both parties usually
>>agree to pay 5% of the purchase price if the deal is consummated.  I said
>>that if GB put me in touch with a seller and I bought the boat that I 
>>would
>>agree to this no problem.  Stan took my name and address to mail out one 
>>of
>>his information packets.
>>
>>Several weeks went by and no information came.  I went to the Rhodes 
>>website
>>and noticed that there was a "new" email link for bringing buyers and
>>sellers together on used Rhodes.  The address is usedboats at rhodes22.com. 
>>I
>>would assume that if you use this link and find a boat that you will be
>>paying a commission to GB.  I sent an email to this link several times
>>requesting information on used boats.  Again, no response whatsoever.
>>Another week or so went by and I called GB.  I spoke to Stan for about one
>>minute to see if the information had been mailed.  He said that he thought
>>he remembered it going out yesterday.  He was right, it arrived a few days
>>later.  Another few weeks later, I emailed Stan to inquire what the deck 
>>on
>>the Rhodes was cored with.  He said he couldn't remember exactly, but
>>thought by the mid or late '90s that they were using plastic.  This was my
>>sum total contact with GB until I received the following email a day or 
>>two
>>ago:
>>
>> >David,
>>
>> >Did you buy a boat ?
>>
>> >If not, any interest in the Rhodes for now or in the next year or two -
>>or
>>should we be deep sixing your file.
>>
>> >thanks for updating us.
>>
>> >stan/general boats
>>
>>I thought this was rather interesting to receive considering I had just
>>purchased the boat and also considering I hadn't heard a word from GB up
>>until now.  This didn't sit too well with me because I know darn well why
>>Stan is emailing me.  I have seen his previous announcements on the list
>>proclaiming that he is entitled to 5% when a boat changes hands whether he
>>is involved or not.  So I wrote the following email to him:
>>
>> >Stan:
>>
>> >Yes, I purchased the 19xx boat from xxxx in xxxxx.  You may be 
>> >interested
>>in the list of repairs so far which include:
>>
>> >25-30 blisters and the filler had begun to separate from between the 
>> >keel
>>and the hull.  All had to be excavated and filled, then the bottom was
>>repainted.
>>
>> >The motor was trashed.  We attempted to disassemble it, but among other
>>things, couldn't get the cooling tube out without a hack saw.  Purchasing 
>>an
>>overhauled, used 8 >hp as a replacement was more cost effective.
>>
>> >Once the replacement motor was on the boat-the motor mount bottom block
>>set
>>pulled out of the glassed in wood block.  You may want to think about 
>>using
>>something a >little more substantial then the 4 3/4" wood screws which was
>>all that was holding the block.  I used 2" deck screws to secure it.
>>
>> >The worse thing of all and I am kicking myself for this one is that I
>>think
>>the cabin ceiling has some compression and I didn't notice it until I got
>>the boat home, the mast up and put some tension on the shrouds.  You don't
>>see anything from the deck and it looks perfectly normal to me, but inside
>>the cabin there is a small crack in the ceiling liner which I didn't 
>>notice
>>being there on the test sail.  Also, I see a bit of distortion in the
>>ceiling below the glassed-in tabernacle block area.  There is enough flex
>>whereby the light fixture cover (next to the head) doesn't fit quite right
>>when the mast is up.  Xxxxx had very little tension on the shrouds.  I 
>>have
>>put 250 lbs on the upper shrouds and 200 on the lowers according to my 
>>Loos
>>gauge and the lee shrouds are still going way too slack.  Normally, I 
>>would
>>just tighten it up some but am afraid to as I am running out of adjustment
>>ability on one of the lowers and the mast looks straight.  This just 
>>doesn't
>>seem right to me.  Next time I have the boat out of the water, I am going 
>>to
>>check this out and if required, I'm thinking seriously of putting an
>>additional pressure post directly under the tabernacle block to support 
>>it.
>>It won't look as good and I hope it won't interfere with the head folding
>>door, but...
>>
>> >So Stan,  if it sounds like I am not exactly thrilled right now, you can
>>understand.
>>
>> >Regards,
>> >David Culp
>>
>>Now I don't believe that this email indicates that I am griping about the
>>Rhodes 22 in general or giving it bum raps.  I was a little miffed at the
>>(4) 3/4 inch screws holding the motor mount block and ultimately the motor
>>because it failed right as I was getting ready to take the boat on its 
>>first
>>sail.  The screws pulled out, the motor fell to the bottom of the mount 
>>and
>>I was out of business for that day.  It took half the next day to do the
>>repair.  I knew the motor was basically worthless and figured a 
>>replacement
>>in the price I paid.  My true frustration is with what may be some deck
>>compression that I should have caught on inspection of the boat.  Ask
>>yourselves... Would you pay top dollar for a boat that has deck 
>>compression
>>that may need repair?  I like my Rhodes 22, think it is a fine boat and I
>>paid handsomely for it... so no one should be offended.  Used boats always
>>have some problems and always require additional repairs.  Some used
>>sailboats have deck compression problems, maybe this one doesn't, but I am
>>concerned.  When they do, you flex the deck back to the proper position 
>>and
>>place a support underneath it so that it is no longer a problem.  I'm a
>>realist, but with all this going on, I was in no mood to talk about any
>>commissions which I felt was the purpose of Stan's email to me.  So 
>>instead
>>of responding to my email with at least some kind of encouragement, Stan
>>would rather make these pronouncements on the list.
>>
>>Stan, I want to tell you publicly so there is no misunderstanding:
>>
>>I do not intend to pay you 5% of the purchase price that I paid for the
>>boat.  You are not entitled to it, no more then the CEO of Ford Motor
>>company is entitled to a commission if I go out and buy a used Ford 
>>tomorrow
>>from a private owner.  You were not involved in this transaction at any
>>point.  I tried several times to get GB involved as is indicated above, 
>>but
>>it just never happened.  True, you didn't get the boat back wholesale, so
>>you could retail it again, but I can't help that.  You have stated on the
>>list that it is important to all of us that GB stay afloat so to speak.  I
>>agree.  You have also said that a lot of people take advantage of your
>>expertise and your time by soliciting information and that you receive
>>nothing in return for it.  No doubt very frustrating to you and no doubt
>>very true.  I took about 10 minutes of your time considering the emails 
>>and
>>phone calls and the envelope indicates that postage cost you $ 2.55 for 
>>the
>>information package which was really just a rehash of the website... but
>>that's OK.
>>
>>In return for these services, it is my desire to mail you a check for
>>$200.00 dollars as a consulting fee.  This will hopefully compensate you 
>>for
>>your time and expenses on my behalf.  I would like to try and maintain a
>>good relationship with you and the other owners on this list.  However, I
>>believe that a good relationship is based on facts and then ultimately on
>>trust.  So I have presented the facts and I trust that you a reasonable
>>person and businessman and will accept my consulting fee as a gesture of 
>>my
>>good faith effort to play fair with everyone considering the situation.
>>Please let all of us on the list know your response to my offer as we are
>>all one big happy family... Right?
>>
>>David Culp
>>FNG and proud owner of a used Rhodes 22!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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