[Rhodes22-list] RE: Public Service Announcement from Stan

[TN Rhodey]

MJM,

I still thought there was some connection; I stand corrected.

Nevermind!

Wally


>From: Michael Meltzer <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: 'The Rhodes 22 mail list' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] RE: Public Service Announcement from Stan
>Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 23:11:07 -0400
>
>The rhodes22.com website, stans email, but that goes back to 1995. trading
>favors, the list is all me.
>
>-mjm
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-
> > bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of TN Rhodey
> > Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 9:05 AM
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] RE: Public Service Announcement from Stan
> >
> > David,
> >
> > There are always at least 2 sides to every story. Perhaps just a simple
> > response might have been better received....."Yes deep six my file, I 
>did
> > buy a boat but it didn't work out so well. Now I wish I would have
> > purchased
> > through GB".
> >
> > Although Stan does not "own" this list it is my understanding that MJM 
>and
> > Stan have a relationship making this the "Rhodes 22" list. Many of us
> > moved
> > to this list from the R22 Sailnet list. That list has nothing to do with
> > GB
> > or MJM. Although the seller didn't post the boat for sale on this list
> > they
> > did use this list to sell their boat.
> >
> > If the time comes to sell my boat and I sell it to someone who made on
> > offer
> > based on my post to this list I will give Stan his %. If I sell  outside
> > this list I don't think I would give GB a %. Others may feel differently
> > but
> > to each his own.
> >
> > I know you must be frustrated and I hope your compression problems are 
>not
> > serious. Good luck!
> >
> > Fair Winds,
> >
> > Wally
> >
> >
> > >From: "David Culp" <dculp at hsbtx.us>
> > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] RE:  Public Service Announcement from Stan
> > >Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 16:34:55 -0500
> > >
> > > > so sue me, I am blatantly touting the value of the recycling 
>process;
> > >but
> > >do so as a pre-emptive service to future used boat buyers lurking >out
> > >there:
> > >
> > >
> > > >  1.    Somehow the e-Bay boat that Brad was considering, ended up at
> > GB,
> > >at great gas cost to us.  Even the mast, the reason Brad wanted >the
> > boat,
> > >is NG.  The boat is a mess, missing lots of parts and not worth
> > recycling.
> > > > 2.    A boat was recently offered on this list,  bypassing GB 
>(seller
> > >shall remain nameless).  It was purchased by a List reader (who shall
> > >remain nameless) who also bypassed GB.  Now, even though our 
>investments
> > >laid the ground work for this transaction and even though we have in no
> > way
> > >been compensated for this transaction and even though we invested in
> > making
> > >the buyer pre-aware of the recycled boat advantages, we now receive a
> > >letter
> > >bitterly complaining of a long list of things wrong with his purchase. 
>To
> > >quote a few of his out-of-context words,   "....I am not exactly 
>thrilled
> > >[with a Rhodes] right now ..."
> > >
> > >  > I get the feeling we are not doing a good enough job explaining the
> > >worth
> > >of recycled Rhodes and therefore boats are ending up with unearned bum
> > raps
> > >- sorry about how this kind of word of mouth handicapping can affect 
>your
> > >future return when it comes to selling your boats..
> > >
> > >My name is David Culp and I live in Texas.  I am the un-named buyer who
> > >Stan
> > >refers to in his public service announcement.  I have introduced myself
> > to
> > >the list before and was in the market for a used Rhodes.
> > >
> > >Now Stan is obviously a brilliant inventor and he is no doubt the 
>Messiah
> > >when it comes to the Rhodes 22, but folks to steal a line... No one, 
>not
> > >even the Messiah is entitled to his own set of facts.  So let's try to
> > >straighten some of this out.
> > >
> > >First of all, the boat I purchased was never offered for sale on this
> > list.
> > >An announcement was made that a boat was going to be sold back to GB on
> > >this
> > >list and I unilaterally approached the sellers off list and offered to
> > look
> > >at the boat.  The reason that the boat was going to be offered to GB 
>was
> > >that the sellers felt no one in their area was interested in purchasing
> > it.
> > >Also, again according to the sellers, Stan had only offered wholesale 
>for
> > >the boat and they would have to trailer it back to NC.  According to
> > them,
> > >even Stan's recommendation was to find a buyer locally.  As you can
> > >imagine,
> > >this was very good advice.  Obviously, Stan can only offer wholesale 
>for
> > >boats the company takes back to recycle because he will be investing
> > money
> > >to bring them back up and he has to make a profit.  The sellers were 
>able
> > >to
> > >get several thousand more from me as a retail purchaser and nobody had 
>to
> > >trailer a boat from Texas to NC.  Everybody comes out pretty good 
>except
> > >Stan.
> > >
> > >My contact with General Boats prior to this was as follows:
> > >
> > >I sent 2 emails to GB requesting information on recycled boats that 
>were
> > >available after seeing the Rhodes 22 website.  The requests were never
> > >answered.  I ended up calling GB and spoke with Stan for approximately 
>5-
> > 6
> > >minutes.  I told him where I was and what I desired in a boat.  He told
> > me
> > >what a recycled boat would cost.  I offered to send money to get the
> > photos
> > >of the boats that were available as the website talks about.  Stan told
> > me
> > >not to send any money as the boats turn over too quickly and the
> > >information
> > >is too hard to keep up to date.  He mentioned to me that when GB brings
> > >buyer and seller together on a non-recycled boat that both parties
> > usually
> > >agree to pay 5% of the purchase price if the deal is consummated.  I 
>said
> > >that if GB put me in touch with a seller and I bought the boat that I
> > would
> > >agree to this no problem.  Stan took my name and address to mail out 
>one
> > of
> > >his information packets.
> > >
> > >Several weeks went by and no information came.  I went to the Rhodes
> > >website
> > >and noticed that there was a "new" email link for bringing buyers and
> > >sellers together on used Rhodes.  The address is 
>usedboats at rhodes22.com.
> > I
> > >would assume that if you use this link and find a boat that you will be
> > >paying a commission to GB.  I sent an email to this link several times
> > >requesting information on used boats.  Again, no response whatsoever.
> > >Another week or so went by and I called GB.  I spoke to Stan for about
> > one
> > >minute to see if the information had been mailed.  He said that he
> > thought
> > >he remembered it going out yesterday.  He was right, it arrived a few
> > days
> > >later.  Another few weeks later, I emailed Stan to inquire what the 
>deck
> > on
> > >the Rhodes was cored with.  He said he couldn't remember exactly, but
> > >thought by the mid or late '90s that they were using plastic.  This was
> > my
> > >sum total contact with GB until I received the following email a day or
> > two
> > >ago:
> > >
> > > >David,
> > >
> > > >Did you buy a boat ?
> > >
> > > >If not, any interest in the Rhodes for now or in the next year or two 
>-
> > >or
> > >should we be deep sixing your file.
> > >
> > > >thanks for updating us.
> > >
> > > >stan/general boats
> > >
> > >I thought this was rather interesting to receive considering I had just
> > >purchased the boat and also considering I hadn't heard a word from GB 
>up
> > >until now.  This didn't sit too well with me because I know darn well 
>why
> > >Stan is emailing me.  I have seen his previous announcements on the 
>list
> > >proclaiming that he is entitled to 5% when a boat changes hands whether
> > he
> > >is involved or not.  So I wrote the following email to him:
> > >
> > > >Stan:
> > >
> > > >Yes, I purchased the 19xx boat from xxxx in xxxxx.  You may be
> > interested
> > >in the list of repairs so far which include:
> > >
> > > >25-30 blisters and the filler had begun to separate from between the
> > keel
> > >and the hull.  All had to be excavated and filled, then the bottom was
> > >repainted.
> > >
> > > >The motor was trashed.  We attempted to disassemble it, but among 
>other
> > >things, couldn't get the cooling tube out without a hack saw.  
>Purchasing
> > >an
> > >overhauled, used 8 >hp as a replacement was more cost effective.
> > >
> > > >Once the replacement motor was on the boat-the motor mount bottom 
>block
> > >set
> > >pulled out of the glassed in wood block.  You may want to think about
> > using
> > >something a >little more substantial then the 4 3/4" wood screws which
> > was
> > >all that was holding the block.  I used 2" deck screws to secure it.
> > >
> > > >The worse thing of all and I am kicking myself for this one is that I
> > >think
> > >the cabin ceiling has some compression and I didn't notice it until I 
>got
> > >the boat home, the mast up and put some tension on the shrouds.  You
> > don't
> > >see anything from the deck and it looks perfectly normal to me, but
> > inside
> > >the cabin there is a small crack in the ceiling liner which I didn't
> > notice
> > >being there on the test sail.  Also, I see a bit of distortion in the
> > >ceiling below the glassed-in tabernacle block area.  There is enough 
>flex
> > >whereby the light fixture cover (next to the head) doesn't fit quite
> > right
> > >when the mast is up.  Xxxxx had very little tension on the shrouds.  I
> > have
> > >put 250 lbs on the upper shrouds and 200 on the lowers according to my
> > Loos
> > >gauge and the lee shrouds are still going way too slack.  Normally, I
> > would
> > >just tighten it up some but am afraid to as I am running out of
> > adjustment
> > >ability on one of the lowers and the mast looks straight.  This just
> > >doesn't
> > >seem right to me.  Next time I have the boat out of the water, I am 
>going
> > >to
> > >check this out and if required, I'm thinking seriously of putting an
> > >additional pressure post directly under the tabernacle block to support
> > it.
> > >It won't look as good and I hope it won't interfere with the head 
>folding
> > >door, but...
> > >
> > > >So Stan,  if it sounds like I am not exactly thrilled right now, you
> > can
> > >understand.
> > >
> > > >Regards,
> > > >David Culp
> > >
> > >Now I don't believe that this email indicates that I am griping about 
>the
> > >Rhodes 22 in general or giving it bum raps.  I was a little miffed at 
>the
> > >(4) 3/4 inch screws holding the motor mount block and ultimately the
> > motor
> > >because it failed right as I was getting ready to take the boat on its
> > >first
> > >sail.  The screws pulled out, the motor fell to the bottom of the mount
> > and
> > >I was out of business for that day.  It took half the next day to do 
>the
> > >repair.  I knew the motor was basically worthless and figured a
> > replacement
> > >in the price I paid.  My true frustration is with what may be some deck
> > >compression that I should have caught on inspection of the boat.  Ask
> > >yourselves... Would you pay top dollar for a boat that has deck
> > compression
> > >that may need repair?  I like my Rhodes 22, think it is a fine boat and 
>I
> > >paid handsomely for it... so no one should be offended.  Used boats
> > always
> > >have some problems and always require additional repairs.  Some used
> > >sailboats have deck compression problems, maybe this one doesn't, but I
> > am
> > >concerned.  When they do, you flex the deck back to the proper position
> > and
> > >place a support underneath it so that it is no longer a problem.  I'm a
> > >realist, but with all this going on, I was in no mood to talk about any
> > >commissions which I felt was the purpose of Stan's email to me.  So
> > instead
> > >of responding to my email with at least some kind of encouragement, 
>Stan
> > >would rather make these pronouncements on the list.
> > >
> > >Stan, I want to tell you publicly so there is no misunderstanding:
> > >
> > >I do not intend to pay you 5% of the purchase price that I paid for the
> > >boat.  You are not entitled to it, no more then the CEO of Ford Motor
> > >company is entitled to a commission if I go out and buy a used Ford
> > >tomorrow
> > >from a private owner.  You were not involved in this transaction at any
> > >point.  I tried several times to get GB involved as is indicated above,
> > but
> > >it just never happened.  True, you didn't get the boat back wholesale, 
>so
> > >you could retail it again, but I can't help that.  You have stated on 
>the
> > >list that it is important to all of us that GB stay afloat so to speak.
> > I
> > >agree.  You have also said that a lot of people take advantage of your
> > >expertise and your time by soliciting information and that you receive
> > >nothing in return for it.  No doubt very frustrating to you and no 
>doubt
> > >very true.  I took about 10 minutes of your time considering the emails
> > and
> > >phone calls and the envelope indicates that postage cost you $ 2.55 for
> > the
> > >information package which was really just a rehash of the website... 
>but
> > >that's OK.
> > >
> > >In return for these services, it is my desire to mail you a check for
> > >$200.00 dollars as a consulting fee.  This will hopefully compensate 
>you
> > >for
> > >your time and expenses on my behalf.  I would like to try and maintain 
>a
> > >good relationship with you and the other owners on this list.  However, 
>I
> > >believe that a good relationship is based on facts and then ultimately 
>on
> > >trust.  So I have presented the facts and I trust that you a reasonable
> > >person and businessman and will accept my consulting fee as a gesture 
>of
> > my
> > >good faith effort to play fair with everyone considering the situation.
> > >Please let all of us on the list know your response to my offer as we 
>are
> > >all one big happy family... Right?
> > >
> > >David Culp
> > >FNG and proud owner of a used Rhodes 22!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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