[Rhodes22-list] Problem shrouds = location of answer for David

[TN Rhodey]

Brad,

So are you saying rookie airline mechanics don't need to use torgue 
wrenches? I understand your trainers point but he had some experience.

Wally

>From: "Brad Haslett" <flybrad at gmail.com>
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>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Problem shrouds = location of answer for David
>Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 14:27:36 -0500
>
>Another red letter day!  Bill Effros makes perfect sense!
>
>Rummy, sometimes I wish you weren't so shy and would just speak your mind.
>
>This discussion reminds me of my days as an apprentice aircraft mechanic.  
>I
>asked my boss why we weren't using a torque wrench on whatever we were
>working on.  He said, "oh yeah, go get one".  I checked his work and most
>were very, very close to correct.  He said, "go get the other one and check
>again".  They were still very close but also different.  Then he said,
>"trust me kid, it's hard to beat a man at his own craft".
>
>I asked the guy who stepped the mast and rigged my boat (the same guy who
>delivered it) if I needed to borrow a loos guage.  He rolled his eyes and
>said, who has one you can trust?
>
>Simple is sometimes the best method.
>
>Brad
>
>
>On 6/24/06, Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>>
>>Oh, please...
>>
>>This is like a discussion of how hard to slam a car door.  You only have
>>to slam it hard enough to close.  The car can take a harder slam, but
>>you are not accomplishing anything good for the car by slamming the door
>>harder.
>>
>>We should banish Loos gauges from this list.  They are supposed to be
>>calibrated for the type and size of stay they are measuring.  They don't
>>measure in pounds--you interpolate index numbers.
>>
>>Where the hell did 200 pounds come from, anyhow?
>>
>>Is that 200 pounds when the other 8 shrouds are slack, or 200 pounds
>>when the other 8 shrouds also each show 200 pounds?  Or is it 200 pounds
>>total, divided by 9 shrouds?
>>
>>The tension on the back stay which holds up the traveler is supposed to
>>be the same as the tension on the lower side stays?
>>
>>If the mast is not perpendicular to the boat, but all the stays register
>>200 pounds--is the rigging ok?
>>
>>A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
>>
>>Bill Effros
>>
>>
>>
>>TN Rhodey wrote:
>> > Ed,
>> >
>> > Without a gauge it is hard to quantify hand tight. Perhaps someone
>> > should tighten hand tight and then measure? What if three people
>> > tightned hand tight and measured? I bet you would have 3 different
>> > measurements. I must admit that mine are tighter than hand
>> > tight....not much. Lee side shrouds still go slack. Sloppy or over
>> > tight, either way creates proplems.
>> >
>> > Roger knew how tune an R22 and he used a gauge. Did you see his specs?
>> > Anyone with IMF actually use a gauge? Someone should know this? I may
>> > have to borrow a friend's gauge and measure .....
>> >
>> > Wally
>> >
>> >
>> >> From: Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>
>> >> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Problem shrouds = location of answer for 
>>David
>> >> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 07:03:38 -0700 (PDT)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> David:
>> >>      I would like to suppliment Captain Rummy's response to you with
>> >> where
>> >> you find documentation supporting what he is telling you.  Stan, aka,
>> >> General Boats, makes an instruction manual for the Rhodes 22.  With
>> >> Rose's
>> >> permission, a copy of which is located in the Document Library of
>> >> this web
>> >> site. See:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.rhodes22.org/doclib/Rhodes22-1988-Owners-Raven.pdf
>> >>
>> >>       Now specifically go to pages 4 and 5, especially about the guy
>>who
>> >> used pliers to tighten the shrouds.  So after reading the instructions
>> >> promulgated by Stan you may begin to understand why most of use just
>> >> follow
>> >> his instuctions.  Please understand that while Stan's education is
>> >> electrical engineering he is a nautical engineer by advocation.  The
>> >> point
>> >> Rummy made is that the mast is not made to be over tighened.  What
>>Rummy
>> >> said is supported by the instructional manual for this boat.
>> >>       Who ever told you to use 200 pounds of tension told you very
>> >> wrong.
>> >> That kind of number may be correct for a fifty foot keel stepped 
>>racing
>> >> sailboat, but not appropriate for a cabin (deck) stepped mast without 
>>a
>> >> compression post from base to keel.   It sounds like somebody has
>> >> created a
>> >> problem in over tensioning the stays.  Hopefully the cabin is not
>> >> reshaped
>> >> permenantly.
>> >>        Many Cat boats and other modern designs do not even use stays
>> >> to keep
>> >> the mast upright.  Read about the latest model Hunter sail boats.
>> >>
>> >> Ed K
>> >> Greenville, SC, USA
>> >> --
>> >> View this message in context:
>> >> http://www.nabble.com/Problem-shrouds.-t1840793.html#a5025664
>> >> Sent from the Rhodes22 forum at Nabble.com.
>> >>
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