[Rhodes22-list] This Is Not A Waste Of Your Time

[Herb Parsons]

Bill, I agree in principle with much of what you wrote, except that last statement.

"The hurricane missed New Orleans for all intents and purposes."

Nothing could be further from the truth. The homes in east NO look like the homes in any other hurricane ravaged city. But, you're not particularly worried about fixing your roof when you've had 6 feet of water in your home that finished off any hopes of recovery.

Herb Parsons

S/V O'Jure
1976 O'Day 25
Lake Grapevine, N TX

S/V Reve de Papa
1971 Coronado 35
Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast

>>> bill at effros.com 6/25/2006 8:47:16 am >>>
Brad,

If the levees are built properly, 3 feet of elevation is all they need.  
I think they are moving it up to 6, but it makes no difference if you 
allow the lake to overflow the land.  There is no way to pump the water 
back out, and the depths reach 10 to 20 feet.  The natural problems are 
well understood.  There will be hurricane damage to water front property 
sometimes.  But if the government cuts canals into the heart of a city 
it has a responsibility to build the canals to its own specifications, 
or fill them in.

These are lower middle class people, black and white.  They can't afford 
to build homes that cost 1 1/2 times what they would cost if they didn't 
have to worry about levee failures.  How high off the ground should 
people sitting below Grand Coulee Dam build their houses?

The New Orleans situation is fundamentally different from the 
Mississippi situation, and the people of New Orleans have had trouble 
making this point.  What you are seeing in Mississippi is primarily 
hurricane damage.  In New Orleans it is primarily flood damage caused by 
the failure of government built levees.  The hurricane missed New 
Orleans for all intents and purposes.

Bill Effros

Brad Haslett wrote:
> Bill,
>
>> From the get-go I said the new rule for real estate on the gulf would be
> elevation, elevation, elevation.  That is rapidly becoming true
> unless you're talking high-rise commercial construction with the first 
> three
> floors a parking garage.  We toyed with the idea of building houses and
> quickly decided it wasn't our area of expertise, and, we couldn't feed 
> the
> beast we'd already started.  That being said, I had several conversations
> with a concrete home architect from Florida.  He designs homes using SIPS
> (structurally insulated panels) using concrete board instead of OSB
> (orientated strand board).  We discussed at length the problems of 
> elevation
> and flooding and I agree with his thinking.  You have to build with 
> the idea
> that you're going to take a bath now and then.  It is easy to take the 
> wind
> hit and survive some water, not so easy to fight the mold.  It can be 
> done,
> but not with conventional stick building, insulation, and flooring.  If
> lower elevation NOLA is rebuilt (I don't have a dog in that hunt) they
> either need to spend billions and billions on bigger and better levees or
> design the houses to take a bath and dry out.  Or, do what the 
> Mississippi
> Gulf did after Camille and rebuild just like it was and wonder "what the
> hell just happened?" 36 years later.
>
> Thanks for the pics.
>
> Brad
>
>
> On 6/24/06, Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, Brad,
>>
>> We took the same drive 4 months later.  The flood damage is
>> heartbreaking, and comprises 95% of the total damage.  In other wards
>> the houses are still standing, but they are rotting from the inside
>> out.  The lower 9th ward is not physically lower than most of the rest
>> of New Orleans.  We followed the water as it swept toward the
>> Mississippi.  Homes that had 4 feet of standing water for 3 months were
>> just as ruined as homes with 10 feet of standing water.  Many of the
>> homes were 3 feet off the ground, but that just wasn't enough in many
>> places.
>>
>> The home of a friend was 7 feet above the ground and they got only 6
>> feet of water.  No damage.  2 blocks away they had 8 feet of water and
>> no way to get rid of it.  People's entire histories wound up in
>> dumpsters.  They were still carting it away when we got there.
>>
>> 3 pictures follow from the white Lakeview section:
>>
>> Eat at Joe's
>>
>> Slight Water Damage
>>
>> Sad Boat Picture
>>
>> Bill Effros
>>
>>
>>
>> Brad Haslett wrote:
>> > Here's some good video of NOLA.  We're not involved there and have no
>> > plans
>> > to be.  The Mississippi Gulf Coast was where Katrina hit but that gets
>> > overshadowed by NOLA.  Our heart and our sweat is invested in
>> > Mississippi.
>> > Bill E is close to New Orleans and could give you a better
>> > perspective. This
>> > video is worth watching.  Every image you see is duplicated on the
>> coast.
>> >
>> > Brad
>> >
>> > http://www.novacvideo.org/ 
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