[Rhodes22-list] Reduce your federal income tax (political humor)

[Bill Effros]

Herb,

Clinton forced these people to make the desert crossings.  Prior to that 
they would have "stampedes" where literally hundreds of people would 
literally overrun border crossings.  A dozen might get caught, but the 
other 488 would be home free all.  There were cars, buses, minivans, 
waiting to take them further away right on our side of the border.  We 
built fences in the easy places, forcing them to now cross in the harder 
places.  Crossing was a piece of cake.  If you didn't make it in the 
morning, you could count on getting through in the afternoon.  They 
would commute back and forth across the border.

It's harder now.  We didn't used to have 100s of people dying in the 
desert every year because they didn't have to cross over the desert.

There are more foreign born workers currently in the United States than 
there are Iraqis in Iraq.  Rounding them all up and throwing them out of 
here is not practical--even Bush understands that.

I'm not "for" "amnesty".  I'm not really "for" anything.  I know what 
you're against.  What are you "for"?

Bill Effros




Herb Parsons wrote:
> Sorry Bill, but you don't know what you're talking about on this one. Border crossings have been unbelievably easy for years. We taught them all well in our last "amnesty" program. Bring your families, you stand a better chance of being allowed to stay.
>
> Where have you gotten the idea that border crossings have been more difficult (except for the past few weeks, of course)?
>
> Herb Parsons
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>>>> bill at effros.com 6/27/2006 3:16:16 pm >>>
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> Dave,
>
> Unintended consequences of making border crossings more difficult.  They 
> used to leave their families behind and return home during the off 
> season.  Now that we have made border crossing more difficult, they are 
> bringing their families along with them, and staying North of the border.
>
> Bill Effros
>
> DCLewis1 at aol.com wrote:
>   
>> Luis, PT, & Brad,
>>  
>> This is interesting.  Seems to me that if the IRS has issued an ITIN  for 
>> legal and illegal aliens, and the govt also has a summary of green  cards/work 
>> permits/whatever they should be able to identify illegals pretty  easily.  I 
>> wonder what the problem is?  Or maybe, as PT suggests, the  govt really doesn't 
>> care - just send $.
>>  
>> Re Brad's dreams: I think I understand what he's trying to convey.   These 
>> guys are reported to be very hard working and conscientious.  I've  met some 
>> and they seem like good people.  But there's another side to the  problem that 
>> he may not have observed.  Some years ago my wife and I  were foster parents 
>> for several years, as a foster parent you take kids into  your house until the 
>> adult parents can get their lives squared away.  Over  a period of time you see 
>> a number of "families" and kids.  We've  encountered what I'm sure are 
>> illegal aliens - ladies (kids are invariably tied  to the women) who came north 
>> because there are better social services and  physical infrastructure (e.g. 
>> indoor plumbing) and a government that will not  ask questions.  The ladies 
>> relating to foster care may have a variety of  children - I'm told that large 
>> families are a cultural thing.  Some may  work at regular jobs, but the ones we know 
>> don't, they subsist on the shadow  economy or mooch off one of the hard 
>> working guys Brad dreams about, or  both.  To an overwhelming extent, they subsist 
>> on the illegal cash economy  PT refers to.  These ladies, and especially their 
>> numerous children,   are a substantial burden (i.e. cost) to the social 
>> infrastructure.  For  example, as I recall, in Washington it costs about 
>> $12k/yr/student to support  the public schools - we know one lady with 5 kids and has 
>> not held a regular job  as long as we've known her; there's no way at all that 
>> lady makes any meaningful  contribution to the support the education of her 
>> kids - or anything  else.  I really doubt the ones I know of have ever paid any 
>> taxes, all  their work is in the shadow economy (i.e. selling bottled water on 
>> street  corners - turns out you can make a lot of money doing that in 
>> Washington).   The social services burden (schools, medical care, low income housing, 
>> police,  etc) didn't appear in Brad's dreams, but I think that's what's 
>> driving the  reaction to illegal immigration along the border and in Calif.
>>  
>> One other insight: the prime driver to admitting illegals appears to me  that 
>> they are willing to work very hard and conscientiously at jobs many  
>> Americans disdain.  Basically, they are good people and they want to be  here.  But it'
>> s important to understand that admitting these people,  especially the women, 
>>  has long term consequences ; they will have families  (large families) and 
>> the children may, or may not, be nearly as motivated as the  parent.  What I've 
>> seen is the children of dysfunctional  families, really matriarchies,  
>> fitting right into the underclass  culture that disdains any hard work and/or 
>> educational achievement.  This  is going to drive a geometric demand for even more 
>> social services   From my perspective, this is not a happy prospect. 
>>  
>> Dave
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