[Rhodes22-list] Reduce your federal income tax (political humor)

[Brad Haslett]

We agree on many things.  No one has all the answers to this problem and
biggest reason it is now on the front burner of national debate is because
election season is coming.  Let the hypocrisy begin!

For the record, I'm against illegal immigration.  My wife spent ten years
getting her citizenship, and she was on the Bush 41 fast track.  Every
citizen who ever came to this country came from somewhere else, including
Indians. All were percieved as problem children at one time, Irish, Jews,
Italians, take your pick.

You seem to be greatly concerned that they or their children
will cherry-pick our entitlement system.  Here's a novel idea, why don't we
dismantle it as we know it.  Patrick Moynihan predicted the War on Poverty
as it was designed would fail so let's declare victory and move on.  But
really, the current crop of Mexicans aren't coming here for benefits, they
want work.  And boy do they work!

Why we've allowed our Southern border to remain so porous all these years,
especially after 9/11, is beyond me.  So seal it up.  Like Bill said, they
(and many hard workers from other countries) will just come through JFK or
perhaps IAH (Houston).

You can't just pass a law against certain people, we tried that with the
Chinese.  But if we go down that road, may I suggest we start with countries
that are known sources of radical Islamists?  Damn, can't do that, it would
be racial profiling.

Brad






On 6/29/06, DCLewis1 at aol.com <DCLewis1 at aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> Brad,
>
> I have a lot of sympathy for Stan and other employers regarding  their
> need
> for illegals. However, because Stan and other legitimate  employers pay
> taxes
> on their businesses and for their  employees they aren't the problem.
>
> Re "the problem": There may be a market for illegal labor out there that I
> don't see, but the large market I do see daily is apparently-
> Hispanic  people
> gathering in a large parking lot in the morning waiting for  people,
> commonly
> people in conversion vans or pickups,  to drive by and  offer them work
> for
> the day (or something, I see them get in a van or  truck).  The
> landscaping
> business just across the street from the parking  lot is a big draw
> also.   I'm
> not there when they are paid, but I  assume they are paid cash at the end
> of the
> day. As near as I can tell,  it's the same crowd every day.   As I drive
> further down the  road I observe Hispanic guys doing hard physical
> labor.  I put
> the two together.
>
> I don't think this is primarily a citizen problem because, as has been
> been
> pointed out, it's hard to get your garden variety young US citizens  to
> put in
> that type of hard days manual work.  I think it's the  illegals,  I could
> be
> wrong, I don't stop at the parking lot to check  visas.  I don't think
> these
> guys are volunteering taxes - I could be  wrong.  I know they have kids in
> school because I've seen the number of  hispanic children in the school
> system and
> watched it grow, and I have to  believe they use emergency rooms, etc; so
> clearly these guys (and  gals) are using the social support systems that
> we pay
> for with our  taxes.
>
> Are there US citizens riding the same social services system
> without  paying
> for it?  You bet.  The difference is that the US citizens  don't work at
> hard
> manual jobs - they feel "entitled".  If  you give the illegals amnesty,
> their
> children will feel "entitled"  to.
>
> It seems to me that because the 2 groups have totally different work
> ethics
> and entitlements the solutions to the social services problem
> they  present
> may be much different.  Basically, the lazy undisciplined  citizens that
> are
> entitled to be here have to get to work.  The best thing  that could
> happen to
> that group would be 2 years in the Army, or a little  hunger, or both - I
> think
> it's called welfare reform.  But basically,  because they do have status
> as
> citizens, they are entitled to social services  support.  The illegals, on
> the
> other hand, really have no right to be  here, and if they aren't fully
> contributing to the systems needed to support  them through taxes the
> employer pays
> and taxes they pay I think they should  leave.
>
> JMO.
>
> If the approach outlined above were implemented it would be a strong
> inducement for employers to get these guys on the payroll and pay taxes on
> their
> behalf as a way of keeping them available. You wouldn't have to get up
> at  4:30
> in the morning to track down your favorite worker, he's signed on with
> you  to
> work every day, if he doesn't sign on with somebody he's outta here, your
> job
> is to put him to work.   Also, I think the job stability and
> benefits  that
> would flow to the illegals from this would be a blessing for most
> of  them.  It
> would be a win-win situation.
>
> I think the system to accomplish the schema outlined above
> exists  today.  I
> believe you can make an illegal legal by sponsoring him  for a green card
> -
> I've never done it, but I know it's done.    Currently your illegal may
> not feel
> the pressure to sign on, and you may not  feel the pressure to sign him
> up,
> but if there were an  effective outta-here card to be played, you and the
> worker might  change your mind - if you were serious.  The key then, that
> benefits
> everybody,  is an effective outta-here card, all the rest is in  place.
>
> Again, JMO.
>
> Dave
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