[Rhodes22-list] Reply to Frone Crawford

[3drecon]

Frone

I didn't say I was comfortable with the Republicans, I said they are closer
to the Libertarian philosophy than any other "electable" party to-day.  I
assume you allude to the Patriot Act in the "incessant drive by  the
Republicans to limit personal rights and invade our private acts and
thoughts" as well as the moral chest pounding.  I am opposed to the Patriot
Act.  I think it will be/has been abused just as the RICO act was and is
abused.  I don't agree with the moral grand-standing any more than I agree
with the liberals banning "hate" speech, becoming anti-religious and forcing
the Bill of Rights on the States, contrary to the Founders intent.  I also
don't see a conspiricy in "a propaganda machine  leading us to pre-emptive
war, welfare for the agri / timber / oil companies,  selling off our
resources to pay the unconscionable deficits".  The real problem with oil is
the restriction on drilling, exploration and refineries; simply, supply and
demand.  I don't know what you mean about the "agri/timber issues, but if
that's what it takes to make our country prosperous, then that is what we
should do.  A poor person never gave me a job (wealthy and corporations did
(and government).  I will say here that I do one of the few legitimate
government tasks. . . defense (and as a civilian, declassification).  I
assume by your comment about oil, you believe we "went to war for oil".  If
so, what better reason besides retaliation?  Oil is in the national
interest.  If we can secure international oil routes and supplies by going
to war, so what?  Liberals like to say we should go to war in Zambia, or
Zimbabwe or elsewhere in the African continent. If not for precious metals,
oil or resources, why?  If it is not in our national interest, why?  What
the hell were we doing in Serbia?  That is a European created problem and
they should police it.  We have no national interest there.

Philip


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In a message dated 6/30/2006 8:47:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
3drecon at comcast.net writes:

Frankly, I see the Democrats relying on Big Government and  growing it;
however, having said that, the Republicans, in recent years have  changed
course to
appease the liberals (who will not vote for them, no matter  what) and have
their own brand of government growth.  I am a  Libertarian.  The Republicans
are the only electable party that come  closest to that philiosophy for now,
so
I identify with them.  The  interesting thing is the Founding Fathers would
have been considered  liberals!



Philip - I am interested in your conclusion that as a Libertarian, you are
somehow comfortable with the Republicans.  I find the incessant drive by
the
Republicans to limit personal rights and invade our private acts and
thoughts
to be at odds with my own Libertarian leanings.  The abuse of  power by the
present administration is frightening - a propaganda machine  leading us to
pre-emptive war, welfare for the agri / timber / oil companies,  selling off
our
resources to pay the unconscionable deficits, not to mention the  corruption
and incompetence.  I am not a strict Libertarian, in that I feel  there are
roles best filled by government - for example, dredging and  maintaining the
ICW.
There was a great idea thirty years ago that, if  followed, would perhaps
have put our society in a happier and less contentious  frame than we are
going
thru now - that of the negative income tax, in place of  all the myriad of
government administered support programs that don't really  serve the
constituency
intended, and which produce a whole lot of waste.   With a negative income
tax, the neediest are supported without the cost and  waste of bureaucratic
infrastructure.  No one makes out better financially  by not working, so the
"welfare syndrome" is not present.
    Frone Crawford
    s/v Sunday Morning
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