[Rhodes22-list] Re: Bud: ICW depth

[Arthur H. Czerwonky]

Jim,

You mentioned the bay a while back, and I agree some kind of place for a sailboat.  With the ICW so restricted, where do you take the boat, and do you keep it on the water.  Do you have a problem with ramp access on Padre?
Have you been by Snoopy's on the ICW - excellent dinner menu with dock as well as car access.

I'm curious to ask the list also - has anyone found a really good bottom paint for in the water for a while, out for a while.  The one part epoxy coatings are supposed to last 48-72 hours before peeling, VC Performance, a two part, is supposed to have unlimited endurance in or out, although no anti-fouling capability.

There are excellent ideas hatching on the good areas to sail like St Joe and Cocoa.  I wonder that no one has replied to the option of planning outings during the year, like CFYC.

Art

-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim White <lemenagerie22 at yahoo.com>
>Sent: Mar 9, 2006 9:59 AM
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Re: Bud: ICW depth
>
>Bud:
>  The GICWW (Gulf Intra Coastal Waterway) here is less than 100' wide (16' average depth) for over 50 miles....bordered on both sides by water averaging <3' in depth....
>   
>  Now  THATS narrow and shallow!
>   
>  jw
>
>Bud <budconnor at earthlink.net> wrote:
>  Dave,
>the ICW is at least a mile wide here, and is typically deep (8'-12') 
>and is a great place to sail anything in
>our class. I occasionally crew on a Lindbergh '28 (at times we've had 7 
>people on the rail!) and we have no
>trouble maneuvering around the course. Take a quick look on mapquest 
>and you will see wide water
>from Scottsmoor down to Stuart which is over a 100 miles, with Melbourne 
>in the middle. You will be
>suprised how wide and un-crowded this area is. If you want to see a 
>narrow ICW, take a look at Daytona
>on mapquest. If I lived in Daytona I would have taken up motorcycles 
>instead of sailing. Oh, if you use
>GoogleEarth, you can see just how sparsely populated the water really is.
>
>-Bud
>
>
>
>DCLewis1 at aol.com wrote:
>
>>Ed, We intend to look @ Hartwell and Keowee. I’m sure Rummy would welcome 
>>another Rhodes on his lake. At a minimum, it’s someone else he could beat - 
>>easily. Maybe he'd feel better about it if we arrived with a bottle of Mt 
>>Gay, or is it jar of Ben Gay?
>> 
>>Regarding Sen Russell, you’re right, I’d forgotten. Regarding Strom, I’m 
>>sure he did work hard for, and represent, his constituents, he was re-elected 
>>many times.
>> 
>>Art, Regarding Lanier, the Corps advertises 7.5M visitors/yr. Wow! 
>> 
>>Julia, I think you’re right, Hudson and Dunedin have survived on our list. 
>> To out knowledge, available marinas in that part of the world are at Tarpon 
>>Springs, we checked at Dunedin and Tarpon Springs, I don’t think Hudson is 
>>directly on the water. We were told that marinas in the area have been 
>>converted to waterfront condos or are wildly oversubscribed because of the 
>>conversion of so many other marinas to waterfront condos. As I recall, the guy 
>>running the Dunedin marina said it would take at least 2 years for a 22' sailboat 
>>to get a slip in their marina - if the boat were 30' or over he projected a 
>>4+ year wait - and we’d have to be residents of Dunedin to even be put on the 
>>list. There are slips available at Tarpon Springs. One issue with that 
>>entire area is the water is shallow water. We were told by a marina operator @ 
>>Tarpon Springs that if you sailed a mile off shore, the depth would increase 
>>by about a foot - you could walk home if something happened to the boat. 
>>The charts show a very extended shelf in that part of the world. The mean 
>>depth around Dunedin is about 2 feet, as I recall (could be wrong about the 2', 
>>but it’s shallow). So thin water is an issue in that part of Fla - but it is 
>>warm, so it’s still on the list.
>> 
>>BobF, Thanks for your post, I checked back and saw Tom’s subsequent post. 
>>It explains everything we saw. But his 2 posts also identify a substantial 
>>problem: marina’s are out, at least for the near term, because the Florida 
>>EPA won’t let them dredge, ramps are not great, so Tom recommends a waterfront 
>>or canal back home. Tom reports they start at about $1.2M - and we all know 
>>they can be blown or washed away by the next big storm. Actually, when we 
>>were there we saw several canal backed homes that were in the $700Ks, but they 
>>were older (I’d guess ‘50s) and pretty small - PG/PC has been around for a 
>>while and the part near the water likely developed first. So its getting 
>>problematic given PG/PCs storm history, boating infrastructure (or lack of 
>>infrastructure), and very near term development.
>> 
>>I’d thought PG/PC might be a good place for the snowbird trick, just get a 
>>condo/townhouse and rent a slip - limit hurricane risk by limiting investment. 
>> The problem is no slips, few ramps, and a tremendous amount of development 
>>that’s going to exacerbate the need for slips and ramps (as I recall there 
>>are at least 3 high rise condos going in on PG Isles in a relatively small area 
>>just outside the park entrance no direct water access with any of them - and 
>>that’s only one place in PG). I’m starting to think that making PG/PC work 
>>could be a challenge. 
>> 
>>Bud, Thanks for suggesting Melbourne. Can you really sail that part of the 
>>ICW? Except as the ICW transects various sounds, the parts of the ICW I’ve 
>>seen on the east coast have been relatively narrow. I concluded sailing the 
>>ICW entails some sailing and a lot of motoring unless the wind cooperates. I 
>>have no experience sailing the ICW, am I wrong?
>> 
>>Also, I can report that in the Palm Coast area, and possibly other areas ( 
>>i.e. Southport NC), developers have negotiated cut-outs from the ICW where they
>>’ve built marinas for a hundred or so boats at a site. I can see real 
>>traffic jams developing in those areas when the multitude of local recreational 
>>boaters take to the relatively confined ICW ditch. Does Melbourne have that 
>>problem? I’m ambivalent about recreational sailing in the ICW, as opposed to 
>>using it as a passage from point A to point B, do people sail 22' boats 
>>recreationally in the ICW (this comment applies only to “the big ditch” part of 
>>the ICW not the sounds, river mouths, behind keys, etc)?
>>
>>Our next trek is pseudo-local, Kilmarnock VA, Washington NC via Edenton (try 
>>to check on our boat), and New Bern NC (again). This is our 3rd trip to New 
>>Bern, it has a lot going for it (Neuse River & Pamlico Sound), but it can 
>>get cold. Not as cold as Northern Va, but a lot colder than Fla. Later this 
>> year it’ll be the lakes trek. 
>> 
>>Thanks again to everyone for your input. Your local knowledge is really 
>>helpful. 
>> 
>>Dave
>>
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