[Rhodes22-list] WTF?

[Saroj Gilbert]

ditto on Hoover... one of the most pernicious of them all... unfortunately 
it seems that there are many just waiting to fill the shoes of whichever 
tyrant gets "knocked out" next....

Saroj

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Geankoplis" <napoli68 at charter.net>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] WTF?


> Just ask all the victims of a guy named J. Edgar Hoover.  He managed to
> gather lots of "security information" and then used it to manipulate the
> system and maintain his power.  Heck he even got a big building named 
> after
> him!
> Chris G
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Daniel S Bodnar" <dsbodnar at earthlink.net>
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 10:33 PM
> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] WTF?
>
>
>> Don't they teach history anymore?  Doesn't anyone remember the McCarthy
>> Communist witch hunts and the lives ruined by that-
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy ?
>>
>> It doesn't take much to turn this into an opportunity to persecute
> political
>> opponents, or economic rivals.  The "6 degrees of separation theory" 
>> would
>> say that if there are 100 terrorists in the country and if each of them
>> orders a pizza, we are on the watch list, if any of us has ordered a 
>> pizza
>> since 9/11.
>> And if you regularly order a pizza from the same joint as a terrorist,
> start
>> listening for extra clicks when you use the phone.
>>
>> My ramblings aren't as ludicrous as they sound; it is just history
> repeating
>> itself. And as Saroj points out, the feds are not shy about abusing 
>> power.
>>
>> Dan Bodnar
>> SV QOL
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Saroj Gilbert
>> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 8:50 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] WTF?
>>
>> ...and if someone thinks that our lackadaisical attitude towards the
> erosion
>>
>> of our much-loved personal freedoms is o.k. as long as we aren't calling
> Al
>> Qaida members, google "RICO" and "forfeiture" and check out what has
>> happened to this legislation that was originally intended to prevent
>> organized crime from profiting from their crimes when normal legal 
>> process
>> failed.  Starting in the 80's it began to be used against average 
>> citizens
>> who were "suspected" of illegal activity with no legitimate "due
> process"...
>>
>> "reasonable suspicion" was the criteria used for law enforcement to seize
>> and keep assets... you may be surprised with how extensive the abuses 
>> are.
>>
>> www.acluutah.org/assetforfeiture.htm
>> www.house.org/paul/press/press99/pr061799.htm
>> www.aclu.org/crimjustice/searchseizure/10303leg19990802.html
>>
>> I have personally been a victim of this nasty legislation... cost me
> approx.
>>
>> $3000 to get my van back... and the police managed to strip it and cause 
>> a
>> lot of damage before I did.
>>
>> Saroj
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Slim" <salm at mn.rr.com>
>> To: "Rhodes22-list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 1:29 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] WTF?
>>
>>
>> > Dammit, I'm pissed!  I'm appalled, disgusted, frightened and sickened.
> W.
>> > has the nerve to espouse "freedom" as he takes it away from us!
>> >
>> > Stirring the pot and ducking for cover.
>> >
>> > Slim
>> >
>> >
>> > On 5/11/06 10:57 PM, "Slim" <salm at mn.rr.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> So now mein furer is tracking all my calls and emails??!!
>> >> He says no innocent citizen is being monitored.  No listening or
>> >> trolling.
>> >> I guess I don't have a problem unless I'm talking to my man about a
> big,
>> >> fat
>> >> bag of...(line went dead).
>> >>
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