[Rhodes22-list] alternative energy

Wed May 17 18:40:47 EDT 2006

Bob Park of the American Physical Society has been keeping track of these
scams and "overstatements".  Basically, the claims that net power is derived
from water by splitting and recombining the molecules violates 
thermodynamics.
I would place my bets on the laws of thermodynamics rather than Fox News.
A few examples:

 2. PATENT NONSENSE: INFINITE ENERGY MEETS INFINITE BANDWIDTH.
On Tuesday, BlackLight Power was awarded a patent for a chemical means of 
shrinking hydrogen atoms into "a state below the ground state." The, uh, 
inventor, Randall Mills, calls his teeny little hydrogen atoms "hydrinos" 
(WN 22 Jan 99). Mills describes them as, "the most important discovery of 
all time...up there with fire." The second most important discovery, I 
suppose, would be to find the hydrino line in the spectrum. In November, a 
patent was awarded to Media Fusion for Advanced Sub-Carrier Modulation, a 
method of transmitting data over ordinary power lines with a 10 GHz 
bandwidth. The claim is that magnetic fields surrounding the conductor can 
act as a waveguide. In a classic understatement, the Electric Power Research 
Institute (EPRI) has issued a warning to members that Media Fusion's claims 
"lack scientific merit."

 2. PATENT NONSENSE: COURT DENIES BLACKLIGHT POWER APPEAL.
The status of BlackLight Power's intellectual property is fuzzier than ever. 
BLP was awarded Patent 6,024,935 for "Lower-Energy Hydrogen Methods and 
Structures," a process for getting hydrogen atoms into a "state below the 
ground state" (WN 18 Feb 00). You might expect these shrunken hydrogen 
atoms, called "hydrinos," to have a pretty special chemistry. Do they ever! 
Indeed, a second patent application titled "Hydride Compounds" had been 
assigned a number and BLP had paid the fee. Several other patents were in 
the works. That's when things started heading South. Prompted by an outside 
inquiry (who would do such a thing?), the patent director became concerned 
that this hydrino stuff required the orbital electron to behave "contrary to 
the known laws of physics and chemistry." The Hydride Compounds application 
was withdrawn for further review and the other patent applications were 
rejected. Since the one patent already issued involves the same violations 
of basic laws of physics, there is a cloud over its status as well. BLP 
filed suit in federal court arguing that it was too late for the Patent 
Office to change its mind. The court was not impressed, so BLP appealed the 
decision. In denying the appeal, the court said the Patent Office has a 
responsibility to take "extraordinary action" to withdraw a questionable 
patent. The long-awaited IPO may have to wait a little longer.

 3. GENESIS PROJECT: A REALLY GOOD SCAM CAN BE USED OVER AND OVER.
Back in the early '70s, an inventor named Sam Leach claimed to have built a 
car that used ordinary water as a fuel. The idea was simple: You use 
electrolysis to decompose the water into oxygen and hydrogen and then use 
the hydrogen as a fuel to run the engine and generate electricity for the 
separation. So there you have it: You start with water and end up with water 
plus work. Scientists scoffed: it would take more energy to decompose the 
water than you could get from the combustion of hydrogen. Ordinarily yes, 
Leach agreed, but he had a secret catalyst that reduced the energy of 
decomposition. The great thing about the First Law of Thermodynamics, 
however, is that it doesn't care what's in your secret box, it gives you the 
limit of any process. Leach raised millions from investors and then retired 
to a seaside villa in California. Who needs a car that runs on water when 
you have a chauffeur-driven Rolls-Royce? The rumor spread that he had been 
bought off by the oil companies. Now something called Genesis World Energy 
is running the same scam over again
3. HYDROGEN ECONOMY: "NEW CATALYST PRODUCES HYDROGEN FROM WATER."
Well, not exactly. The prospect of a hydrogen economy hinges on the ability 
to produce hydrogen economically. Thirty years ago, an inventor named Sam 
Leach claimed to have invented a car that ran on water. He said it used a 
secret catalyst to dissociate water. That would be thermodynamically 
impossible. But a brief report in Scientific American last week implied a 
new rhenium catalyst might dissociate water. It was based on an article in 
the Journal of the American Chemical Society, but the title of the story in 
SA was misleading. The hydrogen was from catalytic oxidation of 
organosilanes. Cars still won't run on water

 3. HYDRINOS: HONEY, I SHRUNK THE HYDROGEN.
Well, he's back! Randy Mills, MD Harvard '86, burst upon the scientific 
world six years ago when he discovered a simple way to get hydrogen atoms 
into a state below the ground state. The result is teensy little hydrogen 
atoms he calls "hydrinos" and a big wad of energy. It was a crushing blow to 
physicists, who imagined they understood the hydrogen atom. Mills' company, 
HydroCatalysis Power, sold a couple of his devices (which look a lot like 
cold fusion cells) to NASA Lewis, where they vanished. HydroCatalysis has 
since reemerged as BlackLight Power, and sources tell WN that several 
utilities are ready to put money in it. Hmmm, it may be time to look back 
and see if we got the harmonic oscillator right.

 2. TINY HYDROGEN ATOMS INVOKED TO EXPLAIN "COLD FUSION" CLAIMS!
>From the beginning, physicists marvelled at the robust health of Pons and 
Fleischmann. At the power levels they claimed from cold fusion cells, even 
the cockroaches in their lab should have been exterminated by radiation. The 
explanation, it was revealed in a press conference yesterday in Lancaster, 
PA, is that there wasn't much fusion going on to begin with. Big news, you 
are probably saying! So where did the heat come from? That's the surprising 
part; it comes from shrinking the hydrogen atoms! This is done by getting 
the atoms into a state BELOW the ground state. If the shrunken atoms are 
deuterons, of course, they may fuse from time to time, which explains why 
cold fusion results are erratic. This remarkable discovery was made by Randy 
Mills, MD Harvard Medical School, '86 and will be published by Fusion 
Technology in August.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Saroj Gilbert" <saroj at pathfind.net>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] alternative energy

> you could be right... I'll write to the dome site that had the link to see 
> if they have any direct knowledge...
> BTW, apparently near that coop I mentioned the BIGS (McDonalds, 
> Burgerking) are locking up their used oil... next the gov will have a tax 
> on it to pay for the oil companies' subsidies.
>
> Did you have a chance to look at the hydrogen product?
>
> S
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ronald Lipton" <rlipton at earthlink.net>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 4:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] alternative energy
>
>
>> You would be contributing $20-$30 to fraud artists. It would encourage
>> them to prey on more people who might not be able to afford what
>> they pay.
>>
>> Plenty of people took Einstein seriously.  Bucky was also taken 
>> seriously,
>> but tended to cultivate his "outsideness"
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Saroj Gilbert" <saroj at pathfind.net>
>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 3:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] alternative energy
>>
>>
>>> donno... but as I mentioned... would be willing to invest $20 to 30 and 
>>> get James (electronics expert) to check a few of them out... folks thot 
>>> Einstein and Bucky were nuts too....   :)
>>>
>>> Saroj
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Ronald Lipton" <rlipton at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 4:06 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] alternative energy
>>>
>>>
>>>> Saroj,
>>>>
>>>>   I hope that you are not serious about this.  It appears to be another 
>>>> version of the
>>>> perpetual motion scam that has been going around for ~200 years.  NONE 
>>>> OF THESE
>>>> "FREE ENERGY" SCHEMES WILL WORK. Each of them employes a different
>>>> fallicy.  Most can be disproven by considering the energy density of 
>>>> the source.  Don't
>>>> be scammed.  You are better off investing in Nigerian ex-presidents.
>>>>
>>>> Ron
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Saroj Gilbert" <saroj at pathfind.net>
>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 11:25 PM
>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] alternative energy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Check out the attached video (don't know if server will let it 
>>>>> through.. may
>>>>> have to post on yousendit)...
>>>>>
>>>>> And this site for some VERY unusual alternative energy items... no 
>>>>> idea if
>>>>> they "really" work, but certainly thought-provoking... where's Roger 
>>>>> when
>>>>> you need him...)
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.fuellesspower.com/14_Introduction.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> Saroj
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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