[Rhodes22-list] alternative energy

Wed May 17 19:53:22 EDT 2006

Thanks Ron for the work on this.  No matter how much we want something I've
yet to hear of anything violating God's Supreme laws.  The laws of Physics.
These seem to be so important that the almighty will not allow anyone no
matter how rich or well connected or how skilled his lawer or minister is to
break them.  Now as for the ten commandments that seems to me much less
strictly enforced and certainly open to interpretation.

Chris G
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ronald Lipton" <rlipton at earthlink.net>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] alternative energy

> Bob Park of the American Physical Society has been keeping track of these
> scams and "overstatements".  Basically, the claims that net power is
derived
> from water by splitting and recombining the molecules violates
> thermodynamics.
> I would place my bets on the laws of thermodynamics rather than Fox News.
> A few examples:
>
>  2. PATENT NONSENSE: INFINITE ENERGY MEETS INFINITE BANDWIDTH.
> On Tuesday, BlackLight Power was awarded a patent for a chemical means of
> shrinking hydrogen atoms into "a state below the ground state." The, uh,
> inventor, Randall Mills, calls his teeny little hydrogen atoms "hydrinos"
> (WN 22 Jan 99). Mills describes them as, "the most important discovery of
> all time...up there with fire." The second most important discovery, I
> suppose, would be to find the hydrino line in the spectrum. In November, a
> patent was awarded to Media Fusion for Advanced Sub-Carrier Modulation, a
> method of transmitting data over ordinary power lines with a 10 GHz
> bandwidth. The claim is that magnetic fields surrounding the conductor can
> act as a waveguide. In a classic understatement, the Electric Power
Research
> Institute (EPRI) has issued a warning to members that Media Fusion's
claims
> "lack scientific merit."
>
>  2. PATENT NONSENSE: COURT DENIES BLACKLIGHT POWER APPEAL.
> The status of BlackLight Power's intellectual property is fuzzier than
ever.
> BLP was awarded Patent 6,024,935 for "Lower-Energy Hydrogen Methods and
> Structures," a process for getting hydrogen atoms into a "state below the
> ground state" (WN 18 Feb 00). You might expect these shrunken hydrogen
> atoms, called "hydrinos," to have a pretty special chemistry. Do they
ever!
> Indeed, a second patent application titled "Hydride Compounds" had been
> assigned a number and BLP had paid the fee. Several other patents were in
> the works. That's when things started heading South. Prompted by an
outside
> inquiry (who would do such a thing?), the patent director became concerned
> that this hydrino stuff required the orbital electron to behave "contrary
to
> the known laws of physics and chemistry." The Hydride Compounds
application
> was withdrawn for further review and the other patent applications were
> rejected. Since the one patent already issued involves the same violations
> of basic laws of physics, there is a cloud over its status as well. BLP
> filed suit in federal court arguing that it was too late for the Patent
> Office to change its mind. The court was not impressed, so BLP appealed
the
> decision. In denying the appeal, the court said the Patent Office has a
> responsibility to take "extraordinary action" to withdraw a questionable
> patent. The long-awaited IPO may have to wait a little longer.
>
>  3. GENESIS PROJECT: A REALLY GOOD SCAM CAN BE USED OVER AND OVER.
> Back in the early '70s, an inventor named Sam Leach claimed to have built
a
> car that used ordinary water as a fuel. The idea was simple: You use
> electrolysis to decompose the water into oxygen and hydrogen and then use
> the hydrogen as a fuel to run the engine and generate electricity for the
> separation. So there you have it: You start with water and end up with
water
> plus work. Scientists scoffed: it would take more energy to decompose the
> water than you could get from the combustion of hydrogen. Ordinarily yes,
> Leach agreed, but he had a secret catalyst that reduced the energy of
> decomposition. The great thing about the First Law of Thermodynamics,
> however, is that it doesn't care what's in your secret box, it gives you
the
> limit of any process. Leach raised millions from investors and then
retired
> to a seaside villa in California. Who needs a car that runs on water when
> you have a chauffeur-driven Rolls-Royce? The rumor spread that he had been
> bought off by the oil companies. Now something called Genesis World Energy
> is running the same scam over again
> 3. HYDROGEN ECONOMY: "NEW CATALYST PRODUCES HYDROGEN FROM WATER."
> Well, not exactly. The prospect of a hydrogen economy hinges on the
ability
> to produce hydrogen economically. Thirty years ago, an inventor named Sam
> Leach claimed to have invented a car that ran on water. He said it used a
> secret catalyst to dissociate water. That would be thermodynamically
> impossible. But a brief report in Scientific American last week implied a
> new rhenium catalyst might dissociate water. It was based on an article in
> the Journal of the American Chemical Society, but the title of the story
in
> SA was misleading. The hydrogen was from catalytic oxidation of
> organosilanes. Cars still won't run on water
>
>  3. HYDRINOS: HONEY, I SHRUNK THE HYDROGEN.
> Well, he's back! Randy Mills, MD Harvard '86, burst upon the scientific
> world six years ago when he discovered a simple way to get hydrogen atoms
> into a state below the ground state. The result is teensy little hydrogen
> atoms he calls "hydrinos" and a big wad of energy. It was a crushing blow
to
> physicists, who imagined they understood the hydrogen atom. Mills'
company,
> HydroCatalysis Power, sold a couple of his devices (which look a lot like
> cold fusion cells) to NASA Lewis, where they vanished. HydroCatalysis has
> since reemerged as BlackLight Power, and sources tell WN that several
> utilities are ready to put money in it. Hmmm, it may be time to look back
> and see if we got the harmonic oscillator right.
>
>  2. TINY HYDROGEN ATOMS INVOKED TO EXPLAIN "COLD FUSION" CLAIMS!
> >From the beginning, physicists marvelled at the robust health of Pons and
> Fleischmann. At the power levels they claimed from cold fusion cells, even
> the cockroaches in their lab should have been exterminated by radiation.
The
> explanation, it was revealed in a press conference yesterday in Lancaster,
> PA, is that there wasn't much fusion going on to begin with. Big news, you
> are probably saying! So where did the heat come from? That's the
surprising
> part; it comes from shrinking the hydrogen atoms! This is done by getting
> the atoms into a state BELOW the ground state. If the shrunken atoms are
> deuterons, of course, they may fuse from time to time, which explains why
> cold fusion results are erratic. This remarkable discovery was made by
Randy
> Mills, MD Harvard Medical School, '86 and will be published by Fusion
> Technology in August.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Saroj Gilbert" <saroj at pathfind.net>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 4:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] alternative energy
>
>
> > you could be right... I'll write to the dome site that had the link to
see
> > if they have any direct knowledge...
> > BTW, apparently near that coop I mentioned the BIGS (McDonalds,
> > Burgerking) are locking up their used oil... next the gov will have a
tax
> > on it to pay for the oil companies' subsidies.
> >
> > Did you have a chance to look at the hydrogen product?
> >
> > S
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Ronald Lipton" <rlipton at earthlink.net>
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 4:49 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] alternative energy
> >
> >
> >> You would be contributing $20-$30 to fraud artists. It would encourage
> >> them to prey on more people who might not be able to afford what
> >> they pay.
> >>
> >> Plenty of people took Einstein seriously.  Bucky was also taken
> >> seriously,
> >> but tended to cultivate his "outsideness"
> >>
> >> Ron
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Saroj Gilbert" <saroj at pathfind.net>
> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 3:41 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] alternative energy
> >>
> >>
> >>> donno... but as I mentioned... would be willing to invest $20 to 30
and
> >>> get James (electronics expert) to check a few of them out... folks
thot
> >>> Einstein and Bucky were nuts too....   :)
> >>>
> >>> Saroj
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >>> From: "Ronald Lipton" <rlipton at earthlink.net>
> >>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 4:06 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] alternative energy
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Saroj,
> >>>>
> >>>>   I hope that you are not serious about this.  It appears to be
another
> >>>> version of the
> >>>> perpetual motion scam that has been going around for ~200 years.
NONE
> >>>> OF THESE
> >>>> "FREE ENERGY" SCHEMES WILL WORK. Each of them employes a different
> >>>> fallicy.  Most can be disproven by considering the energy density of
> >>>> the source.  Don't
> >>>> be scammed.  You are better off investing in Nigerian ex-presidents.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ron
> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >>>> From: "Saroj Gilbert" <saroj at pathfind.net>
> >>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 11:25 PM
> >>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] alternative energy
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Check out the attached video (don't know if server will let it
> >>>>> through.. may
> >>>>> have to post on yousendit)...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And this site for some VERY unusual alternative energy items... no
> >>>>> idea if
> >>>>> they "really" work, but certainly thought-provoking... where's Roger
> >>>>> when
> >>>>> you need him...)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.fuellesspower.com/14_Introduction.htm
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Saroj
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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