[Rhodes22-list] WTF? (response to Hank and Tootle)

[TN Rhodey]

Brad,

I skimmed through reading things here and there but didn't come across 
anything that changes my mind. In fact I read several things that confirmed 
my way of thinking. Most interesting is the coverage of WMD. Looked to me 
like they cited many sources showing that there weren't any WMD left and we 
bought into the boasts of Saddam.

Wally


>From: brad haslett <flybrad at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] WTF? (response to Hank and Tootle)
>Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 05:43:50 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Wally,
>
>Here is some "light" reading for you (230 pages).
>I've read some excerpts and analysis but haven't
>digested the whole document.  Hope to get that done
>this week if I can get away from the 'Tower of Babel'.
>
>Brad
>
>http://www.foreignaffairs.org/special/iraq/ipp.pdf
>
>--- TN Rhodey <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I also saw (on TV) Colin Powell give a powerpoint
> > presentaion to the UN
> > showing location of WMD. If it makes you feel any
> > better I blame congress
> > almost as much as Bush. Fiew had the strength to
> > vote against the
> > resolution. Face it. we acted on mis-information and
> > made some bad
> > decisions. I don't understand why this is so hard
> > for people to see.
> >
> > I really like my local Congressman Jim Duncan. He is
> > one of the few who
> > voted against the resolution and he is a republican.
> > There was no reason to
> > attack Iraq when we did. The borders were locked
> > down about as well as you
> > can lock down a border. Heck we can't even control
> > our border. We also
> > controlled the airways. We had not yet finished in
> > Afghanastan. We should
> > have confirmed all of our information first.
> >
> > Maybe I should remove logic from my thought process
> > and just follow party
> > line.
> >
> > Wally
> >
> > >From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] WTF? (response to Hank
> > and Tootle)
> > >Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 22:25:53 -0500
> > >
> > >The reasons "Bush and his cronies" (I assume, that
> > by 'Bush and his
> > >cronies', you are referring to the US Congress,
> > since they are the body
> > >that authorized and voted for the resolution) are
> > clearly laid out in the
> > >resolution authorizing the action. You HAVE read
> > it, haven't you?
> > >
> > >Herb Parsons
> > >
> > >S/V O'Jure
> > >1976 O'Day 25
> > >Lake Grapevine, N TX
> > >
> > >S/V Reve de Papa
> > >1971 Coronado 35
> > >Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast
> > >
> > > >>> saroj at pathfind.net 5/14/2006 12:29:40 pm >>>
> > >To Hank:
> > >
> > >Exactly what do you believe WAS the reason Bush and
> > his cronies decided to
> > >go to war in Iraq?
> > >
> > >The stated reason was that Iraq harbored Al Qaeda
> > terrorists and Sadaam was
> > >a recalcitrant tyrant and had WMD which he planned
> > to use against us.  That
> > >he was a tyrant there is no doubt.  Is it the job
> > of the U.S.A. to
> > >eliminate
> > >all tyrants from this world? There are plenty to
> > choose from...
> > >
> > >Aside from the fact that there are anti-Western
> > radical Muslims throughout
> > >the world and that there were no doubt a few in
> > Iraq, there has never been
> > >evidence that Iraq had significant supportive ties
> > to al Qaeda.  The
> > >preponderance of the terrorists who attacked us on
> > 9/11 were from Saudi
> > >Arabia and yet this administration yielded to
> > Prince Bandar on 9/13/2001
> > >and
> > >facilitated the prompt removal of 100 or so, many
> > of them relatives of bin
> > >Laden who, had they stayed and been extensively
> > interviewed, could possibly
> > >have helped in capturing him.  Not only were they
> > allowed to fly within the
> > >U.S. during the total shut-down of air traffic
> > following 9/11, they had
> > >government-provided escorts.
> > >
> > >Afghanistan and Pakistan were far more likely
> > countries than Iraq.  We got
> > >half-way in Afghanistan before diverting our
> > attention to Iraq.  On the
> > >question of the WMD's, the CIA had already disputed
> > that and provided this
> > >information to this administration prior to either
> > the presentations to the
> > >U.N. or the declaration of war against Iraq.  In
> > addition, there is very
> > >good evidence that we actually began attacking Iraq
> > militarily prior to
> > >approval by congress.
> > >
> > >As far as this war having a lower casualty rate
> > than previous wars, I am
> > >not
> > >in the least interested in the rate.  It was an
> > ill-conceived war and one
> > >is
> > >too many.
> > >
> > >On the issue of prescience, there were volumes of
> > intelligence that Muslim
> > >terrorists were planning to use aircraft as weapons
> > against the U.S. both
> > >from foreign sources and within the FBI, FAA, and
> > elsewhere.  NORAD was
> > >planning preparation exercises to develop the
> > capability to respond to this
> > >event that were denied authorization by the Joint
> > Chiefs of Staff.
> > >Prescience means "knowledge of actions and events
> > before they occur"...
> > >there was plenty of it before 9/11.  I realize you
> > were referring to Bush's
> > >argument for going to war, but this seems actually
> > more significant.
> > >
> > >On Bush's pronunciation of "nuclear", this is
> > simply a "stand-in" for my
> > >perception (am I alone in this?) that Bush is
> > neither particularly
> > >intellectually gifted nor intelligent.  He has
> > succeeded in dumbing-down
> > >our
> > >government to appeal to the masses, which
> > unfortunately has wide-appeal in
> > >this country.
> > >
> > >On the Mexico incident, I will ask my source (who
> > has direct knowledge of
> > >the situation as he lives in that town) if he would
> > be willing to have you
> > >contact him on this....
> > >
> >
> >==========================================================
> > >
> > >To Ed:
> > >
> > >Just how you came up with that "label" for me I
> > have no idea... If I have
> > >to
> > >have a label at all (which I am profoundly against
> > on principle) I consider
> > >myself an independent libertarian.
> > >
> > >While I do believe that we should take care of
> > people who "really" can't
> > >take care of themselves (infirm, aged - although my
> > 83-year-old mother
> > >still
> > >works and she is nearly blind) or who need a
> > helping hand for a short time
> > >because they've been knocked down through no fault
> > of their own, I don't
> > >believe in giving handouts ad infinitus for no
> > reason other than laziness
> > >and the unwillingness to accept responsibility for
> > themselves or their
> > >actions.
> > >
> > >I'm also a "conservative" in the pure sense of the
> > word, not as it as
> > >morphed into a label for the wealthy "let them eat
> > cake" factions in this
> > >country.  I believe we should conserve our
> > resources and not squandor them
> > >with no regard for those who will succeed us on
> > this earth to say nothing
> > >of
> > >the immediate impact... national debt is one such
> > area that concerns me
> > >greatly; energy (whether oil, coal, or natural gas)
> > is another area that is
> > >sorely disregarded by this administration...
> > (Bush180 has totally reversed
> > >the position he stated when he came into
> > office..."We need an energy policy
> > >that encourages consumption" - President Bush,
> > 9/23/2002, speech given in
> > >Trenton, New Jersey; I personally remember watching
> > him give a speech early
> > >on in his administration when he stated -
> > paraphrased - [Americans like to
> > >drive big cars... and shrugged with a "what me
> > worry" A.E. Newmann grin)..
> >
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>
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