[Rhodes22-list] Hunting Solution?/Boom Room/Shared ownership

Sat May 27 20:27:57 EDT 2006

Art,
        I think that the kind of trips you might take would dictate what you
would want as far as a solar panel goes. I have for many years used a 45
watt unit, down in the Bahamas for many months and the very same unit
attached to my son's boat in Greece/Turkey for many months at a time. It was
made by Simens and is the amorphas crystal type as I recall.  We never had
any problem with electricty, never in all that time did we ever hve to use
an outside electrical source.  No electrical fridge but a pretty powerfull
sound system, and an electric start outboard or disel engine.  I currently
have a GE 55 watt only because I had to have one on short notice and it was
the only one I could get.  Every where I've used them it was very sunny so
if you are up north and have cloudy days the larger one might be better.
Again, I don't set it up for day to day sailing it just isn't necessary, but
if I were to be out for several days I would.

You are right about the Boom Room, it is an esential.  We used Ripstop nylon
because it was light weight but after sewing up the panels  I came across an
article about UV resistance and reflectivity and the the damn stuff is
almost transparent to UV, it provided only some thermal relief.

I like the Kit Idea as it is esentially flat panels and if the top already
comes with the zippers installed it would be simple to sew the panels up and
save some money.  Good Idea.

Chris

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur H. Czerwonky" <czerwonky at earthlink.net>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hunting Solution?/Boom Room/Shared ownership

> Chris,
>
> I appreciate the info on both the hunter sail and the panel.  I think the
horizontal setup is good for topping.  What minimum watt panel makes sense
to you?
>
> I look the boom room as much more than a so-called 'market' - I think more
of a key utility item on a boat so perfectly suited to outdoor enjoyment.
Allison's dad has had more cancer spots removed than Carter has those
pills - I just don't want to go there and do that.  It has been simply
amazing to me that making one available affordably has been such a problem.
I saw another one from a  Macgregor related site for close to 6k - a ripoff
for a poor design in my opinion.  Like Slim said about the 'chicks', make
one that they will set up - one the rooster may want to set up, too!  I'm
thinking about doing the top alone for some, with zippers, etc. and making
is less cost.  Someone would need to be willing to do some sewing for side
panels, but probably with some satisfaction too.  The side panels could be a
kit with the necessary materials.  Does that make sense?
>
> Did you see my post to Rob.  Why are there not more shared ownerships,
making the boat more do-able when the budget is tight?  I hope he can
eventually swing the boat just off of Ebay.  I am hoping Luis can make the
extra Bradenton lease boat work, also.  It would have to encourage Brad and
others to do the same.
>
> I'm going to work on a soft foredeck on an R22 this summer, so I have to
get really smart about epoxy.  The deck is much too nice to break thru, so
this will be a probable painful project.  It's just a good thing that
Rhoadies are so tough...
>
> Again thanks for the info.
>
> Art
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Chris Geankoplis <napoli68 at charter.net>
> >Sent: May 27, 2006 12:40 PM
> >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hunting Solution?
> >
> >Hey Art,
> >            What you are doing with the boom room, now that's impressive.
I
> >think I may have missed recent picts if you posted. That is my next big
> >purchase, I like the idea of a semipermiable shade cloth.
> >
> > The little sail was a gift from a Rhodie, " Northwest Steve" in Seattle,
he
> >had it made to my general specs.  Heavy canvas so no noise, and as he
> >explained a slightly concaved leading edge so there is no quivering.  The
> >solar panal mount is actually my third panel mount on as many small
boats,
> >this seems to be the best.  I don't plan to use it for general day
sailing
> >or weekending as I have a two bank system and just use a small 5 w
portable
> >panel to keep them topped off.  The big 55w unit is more suted for a week
or
> >more of sailing.  All I did was machinde out of HDPE two stearn rail
clamps
> >that I mounted on the panel frame and 2 aluminum braces that mount to the
> >vertical stantions that support the stearn rail. In line controler and
diode
> >with a charge indicator L.E.D. mounted in the lazerett.  This is run
through
> >a Rule switch so I can select one or both batteries I wish to charge.
The
> >whole system can be put on or removed in ten minutes.  Maybe  I can set
it
> >up and get some pictures after school is out and I've got some time.
> >
> >Chris G
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Arthur H. Czerwonky" <czerwonky at earthlink.net>
> >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 6:18 AM
> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hunting Solution?
> >
> >
> >> Chris,
> >>
> >> So impressive.  I have used a similar rig but located at the mast - so
> >much better at the other end of the boom.  I'd really appreciate your
> >insights about what NOT to do rigging the solar panel.
> >>
> >> Your thoughts about top and curtains in the sun are so helpful.  My
skin
> >is very sensitive to UV.  I have put together a rig to enable the BR top
to
> >act as a true bimini cover, and with the side curtains on each side, just
> >like the BR I posted.  The boom and main act entirely independent of the
> >cover.  I am still undecided on what % of shade is best, but I am now
using
> >60% screen, which allows for ventilation and keeps out bugs, without
losing
> >the view and full use of the boat.
> >>
> >> The 'river boat' mast works well.  I am curious if Bill has rigged his
> >Long Island River Boat design yet...  The country folk in New York will
love
> >it, probably do a story in the New Yorker.
> >>
> >> Is anyone out there using the tiller autopilot?  I wonder what success.
> >>
> >> Art
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >From: Chris Geankoplis <napoli68 at charter.net>
> >> >Sent: May 27, 2006 1:17 AM
> >> >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hunting Solution?
> >> >
> >> >Hi Andrew,
> >> >                Here is a solution I used that works great.  However,
I
> >used
> >> >it when I was anchored and aboard, don't know if you would want to
keep
> >it
> >> >up full time.  I have used it in 34-40 knots wind with no problem.
Check
> >> >out the attached PDF, it is one of several pages I made illustrating
> >> >modifications I made to my boat for a trip to Baja.  Good Luck!
> >> >
> >> >Chris G.
> >> >Medford, OR
> >> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >> >From: "andrew collins" <engineerpac at gmail.com>
> >> >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> >Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 10:43 AM
> >> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hunting
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Bill & Bruce -
> >> >
> >> >After more observation it seems that a small planing v-hull motor boat
> >> >nearby has very similar behavior. The R22 hull per GBI brochure is a
> >> >semi-displacement hull, whatever that means. The motor boat has
similar
> >> >hull, but more windage due to the cabin.
> >> >The deep keel on the bigger sails seems like the stabilizer here.
> >Yesterday
> >> >evening was clamer, but as we all know, contrary to what the marine
> >> >contractors tell you,  the boats in the mooring field were not all
lined
> >up
> >> >in the same direction.
> >> >
> >> >The winds at the mooring are definitely influenced by the nearby
upwind
> >tree
> >> >( the wind was out of the NW these last days), nearby buildings, the
> >point
> >> >itself, etc. creating turbulence. The mooring was put in by Justin of
Old
> >> >Greenwich Marine
> >> >
> >> >Upon mooring the boat for the first time Elton and I both felt the
> >pendant
> >> >to be too short. There is also a heavy loop off of the mooring ball to
> >which
> >> >I tied the slack line leading to the bow eye. It is independent of the
> >> >pendant. Bruce is this what you call the bridle? It does look like
one.
> >> >
> >> >Per Bill's advice I will:
> >> >
> >> >First try number 2, observe the results, and then try number 1 by
> >switching
> >> >the slack line to the center cleat, and put the pendant on the bow eye
> >with
> >> >a snap shackle. Should a thimble be in the pendant eye?
> >> >
> >> >A science experiment!
> >> >
> >> >Andrew
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >On 5/25/06, Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Andrew,
> >> >>
> >> >> I haven't tried this, because I come from the "If it ain't broke,
don't
> >> >> fix it" school, but I believe there are 2 things you might try to
> >lessen
> >> >> hunting:
> >> >>
> >> >> 1.  Moor from your bow eye instead of your bow cleat.  (Put a slack
> >back
> >> >> up on the bow cleat.)
> >> >>
> >> >> 2.  Loop a line from the bow cleat, over the port side, through your
> >> >> mooring line eye, and back over the bow cleat from the starboard
side.
> >> >> They recommend this for bare boats in the BVI to lessen hunting, and
> >> >> reduce chafing.
> >> >>
> >> >> Chafing has been a zero problem for me over the 8 years my Rhodes
has
> >> >> been on a mooring in Greenwich Cove.
> >> >>
> >> >> I have a chafe guard over my mooring line where it rubs on the rub
> >> >> rail.  I have never even thought about replacing the chafe guard
> >because
> >> >> it does not chafe.
> >> >>
> >> >> I spend a lot of time on my mooring in my boat, and it does not hunt
> >> >> very much.  Sometimes on anchor it hunts much more.  Part of it is
> >where
> >> >> your boat happens to be.
> >> >>
> >> >> Bill Effros
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
> >> >> > Andrew,
> >> >> > It's what is called hunting as others have stated. It is a common
> >> >> trait  with
> >> >> > the R22 on a mooring. It's caused by a combination of things
inherent
> >> >> with
> >> >> > the R22 design, not a flaw.
> >> >> > I don't know of any sure cure for this.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Rummy
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> >> >-- 
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